Why are the Welsh voting conservative??

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I understand why most people vote it seems rational to me as a country to vote for Brexit and the conservatives particularly with Corbyn leading the Labour Party. What I am confused by is why is one of the poorest parts of Europe - Wales voting for a party that believes in entrepreneurship and less state intervention when Wales is so reliant on money from Europe and state institutions. Interested in any Welsh mums voting for Conservative party and the rational. (Not remotely about judgement or argument just totally curious).

scaryclown is pointing out that 'strong, stable leadership' is not necessarily a good thing.

Honestly. It's pretty clear from the post.

It's utter madness to vote for the Conservatives at the moment. It really is. Unless you are a libertarian nutter who relishes the selling off of the NHS and go to sleep at night dreaming of the UK turned into some vile little culturally-depleted, cheapskate, shoddy tax-haven for the ultra-rich.

Whatever you may think of Jeremy Corbyn, the Conservatives just aren't a sensible choice.

I'm utterly, utterly bewildered by anyone who might actually do this.

Maybe they are sick of intolerant liberal lefties telling them what's best for them

scaryclown is being sarcastic

I doubt it.

They have already stated that they think the Welsh voted for Brexit 'because of racism' and vote Conservative to 'get rid of Poles'

Anyone voting Tory, unless wealthy, needs to seriously open their eyes and look beyond their bullshit, i cannot believe people actually believe a word they say after their Brexit campaign (or in Mays case, what she isn't saying)

The best we can hope for is that opposition is maintained within Parliament, to stop them getting away with a dictatorship, that will lead us down a very very dark path.

I'll take "intolerant lefties telling them what's best for them" over a bunch of "bastards" with plans - actual, real plans in the form of proposed trade deals with the US - to sell of the NHS any day of the week.

PS.: "Bastards" is the term John Major used for the people who are currently controlling Teresa May. Make no mistake, the people who are leading the direction of the Conservative Party at the moment are a long, long way from the Conservative Party of old.

I never, ever thought I'd see the day when I looked back fondly on the work of John Major. He worked to keep this lot out.

It would be irony beyond belief if the voters of Wales allow a bunch of extremists into power because they are (still, even after the embarrassment of the Summer of Insanity is leaving many with a nasty hangover,) still high on the dim dream of "giving the elites a kicking" by voting for a bunch of jackals.

That is not a real alternative. It's not a true expression of "people power".

It is, indeed, a dark path.

Labour as a representative democratic party need to be electable. Are they?

Who will gain by having a Tory government to kick against?

One group : Leftist agitators wanting trouble on the streets and a revolution!

Conspiracy theories can cut both ways.

I think the Welsh Simply want Strong, Stable leadership

I think it's that in a nutshell. Strong, stable leadership. Something Labour has shown nothing that they are capable of doing it lately.

I will be voting Tory. I'm not living in Wales (part Welsh), I live in a Tory constituency and they are doing a great job in my area. Council Tax has been frozen for the last 9 years, we have new libraries being built, lots of children's centres, weekly rubbish collections, clean streets and regenerating all the high streets in the borough in turn. Compared to the Labour run borough next to us. Filthy streets, fortnightly rubbish collections, closing libraries and children's centres and trying to blame it on the Tories in power. I really cannot understand why anyone would vote Labour especially with Cornyn at the helm.

It's utter madness to vote for the Conservatives at the moment. It really is. Unless you are a libertarian nutter who relishes the selling off of the NHS and go to sleep at night dreaming of the UK turned into some vile little culturally-depleted, cheapskate, shoddy tax-haven for the ultra-rich.Whatever you may think of Jeremy Corbyn, the Conservatives just aren't a sensible choice.I'm utterly, utterly bewildered by anyone who might actually do this.

So what are Labour actually DOING? What is their manifesto? Genuine question. Convince me. As I follow the news regularly, all the threads on here etc. You see nothing. This is coming from a Labour stronghold neighbourhood.

Because the Welsh are clever.I blame the fresh mountain air.

I think it's that in a nutshell. Strong, stable leadership. Something Labour has shown nothing that they are capable of doing it lately.

Yes. Personally I love leaders that promise they're going to do things and then U turn at the first opportunity. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when they show they
have no fucking clue what they're doing.

Because they are fed up with being taken for granted? Labour has assumed that they have thirty-odd seats which will always be safe for them and they may get one hell of a shock on 8 June.

European funding? They give us back a small percentage of what we give them fgs! Think how much could be spent here, at home, once we are out of the corrupt E.U. :)

Wales is a net gainer of EU funding, user.

But I know you brexiters don't normally trouble yourselves with actual facts.

Andrewofgg by that logic is like deciding you're tired of your normal commute to work because it's unfulfilling, and deciding walking there naked over broken glass and used syringes is better because "it's a change".

TittyGolightly That may be right but people don't always vote logically.

Not really. It's trying something that may or may not be better on the logic it can't get much worse.

I know it's tempting to think that Trump, Le Pen, Brexit, UKIP, are all a sign of stupidity and ignorance. They are not. They are a sign that globalisation, for the average Joe, has not worked. People are discontent and historically, refusing to listen to people's discontent doesn't work well.

That may be right but people don't always vote logically.

And we all suffer for it.

They are a sign that globalisation, for the average Joe, has not worked.

So why the fuckity fuck would they vote for the Tories, whose entire shitty Brexit plan is to increase our reliance on globalisation?!

Janet- what do you feel tories do for the less fortunate? Genuine question

I think a lot of people do not realise just how awful the other parties are.

Tories are the best of a bad bunch. They really are. I've never voted for them before despite living in a blue area but I really don't feel I have another option (and DHs best mate is a Labour MP!)

Tories are the best of a bad bunch. They really are.

Utter, utter bollocks. Open your eyes!!!!!!

Right ok Titty so who should I vote for? Genuinely, if you want to open my eyes, do it. I want you to tell me who to vote for and why.