Why are the Welsh voting conservative??

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I understand why most people vote it seems rational to me as a country to vote for Brexit and the conservatives particularly with Corbyn leading the Labour Party. What I am confused by is why is one of the poorest parts of Europe - Wales voting for a party that believes in entrepreneurship and less state intervention when Wales is so reliant on money from Europe and state institutions. Interested in any Welsh mums voting for Conservative party and the rational. (Not remotely about judgement or argument just totally curious).

I will be voting Tory because I feel that to vote for Labour in Wales means that I'm happy to settle for continuing decline. Healthcare is poor, education is worse

But surely that is the fault of our current Tory government?

Oh Jesus.. don't you know what Tories do? Centralise, cut, make things london-centric.

God it's facepalming time..Big time..

Thick lazy Welsh bastards don't know what's good for 'em, eh? :)

The problems with the NHS in Wales have been going on since way before the Tories came into power.

Of course they work hard in comparison to someone on the dole. The thing is, an unemployed welsh person is going to.say.. Ooh i could have that job' and 'the Tory is getting us out of Europe'.

Where I work the reason the people emigrated here was to do the jobs the Welsh refused to do.

Very few people user? Depends where you live I guess. These are people speaking their own language in their own country. Should their language become invisible and go underground to please those that are too lazy or prejudiced to learn it?

In some wards in England Polish or Urdu might be the majority language. Should official documents issued there skip the English, do you think?

Shame you had to bring up this old hat, hopefully this won't derail the thread.

But why would Wales continue to vote for Labour when Labour have done nothing for them?

Saying "oh, but the conservatives won't ..." misses the point. They are as yet an unknown quantity.

To put it another way, if I have a choice between two meals in a restaurant. I know one is disgusting because I've had it before. The other one doesn't sound great but I am going to eat it because it can't be worse than the other one.

People saying 'but look ... it's got courgette, you hate courgettes,' won't persuade me to eat the disgusting meal.

The chef would need to come out and say 'look, we've made these improvements to the dish that you had before and didn't like" and be pretty persuasive.

So what are Labour actually going to DO to win this election? Come on, convince me to vote for them.
I live in a nailed on Labour constituency and haven't had even ONE leaflet through the door yet.

I live in a nailed on Labour constituency and haven't had even ONE leaflet through the door yet.

They are virtually ignoring my area as all their efforts are being pored into neighbouring wards that are probably going to go Tory.

I think by ignoring it, this will to.

Soyamilkisniceintea : What a vile thing to say.

What was, sorry, comparing Labour to a meal?

So what are Labour actually going to DO to win this election? Come on, convince me to vote for them.I live in a nailed on Labour constituency and haven't had even ONE leaflet through the door yet

Reading my post back, maybe this is what they've got complacent about and are banking on. They have "nailed on" voters. Nope, might have always been that way before. Now, they have people voting other ways as there's never been a clear cut policy section from them delivered through letterboxes.
Complacent and expecting. Not a good mix.

Your comment at 22:08

Oh, sorry! That wasn't a 'serious' comment at all. I was being ironic - trying to point out how offensive remarks complaining about how Eastern Europeans are doing the jobs lazy Welsh people 'won't' do and how stupid Welsh people are for daring to use their democratic vote for people other than Labour :)

squishysquirmy They were being sarcastic I think.

I think it is called sarcasm!

Disclaimer: Not Welsh.

Welsh people are voting Conservative because they don't like the lurch to the left of the Labour party under Corbyn.

I think that most of hte voters in the UK are broadly centrist. They will usually tend slightly right or slightly left but are broadly pretty much down the middle. Labour under Blair/Brown was centrist. Since then they've gone further and further left wing and that's turned off a LOT of people. They are unelctable at the moment, so if you're a Welsh voter who supported Brexit or is ambivalent about the EU you aren't going to vote Lib Dem, you don't want independence so aren't going to vote Plaid Cymru, and you're not happy with the far left ethos of Labour.

So who does that leave? I don't think the Conservatives have gone to the right as far as Labour have gone to the left - UKIP are there to occupy that extreme right territory. So they're the more centrist choice for many.

Re Welsh (or English) people 'refusing' to take some jobs - is that honestly what passes for a left wing view now?

I think in a LOT of cases it isn't a refusal to take jobs at all. It's the knowledge that in taking said job you will be far worse off due to the complexity of the benefit system, and that, let's face it, some jobs royally take the piss. If you say 'look, I really can't do that job because I have three children and no one to care for them at weekends' - that isn't refusing to take a job.

I also think a LOT of people are scared at the short term loss of funds. If the job you are offered pays monthly, or needs a DBS, or you to pay for uniform - and you can't afford that?

Last year I had a minimum wage job. I had to:

Pay for my DBS
Pay for my uniform
Attend three days training (unpaid) in the next town (DH gave me a lift, but bus fares and / or parking would have cost a bomb) plus childcare. Ouch.

It must get SO fricking wearisome to only be able to get jobs you can't do because of hours or whatever and then have people bitch about how lazy you are and how amazing polish people are. It really doesn't do much for relationships between the countries!

Because they're scared. Nothing serves the conservatives and the isolationists/separationists/nationalists/populists etc more than fear.

Ireland wanted it so much they actually starved themselves to secure it
Fucking hell are you trying to be offensive? The Irish didn't starve themselves (if you are refering to the famine in the 1840 - 50s). It was the lack of aid from the British government that starved them.

Ireland wanted it so much they actually starved themselves to secure it.

How offensive can you get.

Speaking as a Welsh person living in Wales who will be voting Tory I can tell you I am voting this way as labour have had their stint and not a lot seems to have changed. The nhs is a joke and our schools are really struggling.
I think labour need their arses kicking and have become complacent, this time last year you could have put a red rosette on a donkey and people would have voted for it but no more, people I speak to are sick of being considered the poor relations and are desperate for change.

We've had devolution for nearly 20 years and yet you still don't get that Westminster doesn't control hospitals or schools in wales? Fuck me.

Vote in your Tory MP. They'll just give the Labour Welsh Govt less money to spend on the NHS and schools. Or they can take money from other areas to prop it up, and we'll have shit services across the board. You've basically shot yourself - and the rest of us - in the face.

(The WG are the only thing stopping the Welsh NHS being privatised. Think about that for a second before you put your x in the box)

scaryclown is being sarcastic. She's pointing out that the kind hand of imperialism starved the Irish.