To think it's wrong that Dance and Drama students get so much help with degree costs?

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When everyone else has to pay £9000 a year and then living costs.
If the government has money to fund some courses why not use it to fund nursing students?
www.gov.uk/dance-drama-awards

Do we have a chronic shortage of actors?

Tinsel STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths so drama/English is not included in this.

Doesn't golf course management have the best employment statistics of any degree?? Or did I dream that?

(I don't actually judge degrees by employability btw - I judge them by how much they fire up the interest of the potential student!)

Devil It may do now, I don't know, but it certainly didn't back then

Isn't this just a way of making the 'assistance ' that is available to degree students (in the form of loans/ means tested maintenance ) available to those on the non-degree but advanced vocational training that is offered by DaDa establishments?

Yes Soul, that is exactly it.

Nah Soul it's a tool specifically designed to take food out of the mouths of nurses, doncha know?

With art, you either are talented or not. Schooling in it is pointless.

Ridiculous statement. Dancers school all the way through their career - even soloists at the Royal Ballet take class every day. Schooling is everything in dance as well as acting which involves bags of technique that actors need to learn. No-one is born knowing how to interrogate a Shakespearean monologue.

Far too many take the loan with absolutely no intention of paying it back wasting time, money and places.
Do you evidence of this Rainbow?

Very few people will be eligible for this money.

Of all of the govt's colossal wastes of taxpayer money, I can't bring myself to get worked up about an assistance scheme for a students who are normally under 18.

By your logic OP why should we fund degrees for anyone ever?

YANBU

I know a bunch of maths PhDs who are just doing what interests them. No useful application at all, and some won't complete, but fully funded. Is that any different?

It is very different, because the skills acquiring during a PhD in abstract mathematics are transferable into many jobs that are essential for the economy.

Also "no useful application" is incorrect - a lot of abstract mathematics ends up being used in ways that were not anticipated when it was originally developed e.g. encryption for internet transactions. A PhD that develops original knowledge is not comparable to training somebody in theatre skills.

I'm surprised this hasn't been scrapped by the tories.

The scrapping of nhs bursaries for nurses and other allied health care proffesional is absolutely shameful, and is yet another blow to an already struggling nhs.

My mistake Lonny. I now realise it's been the ballet dancers all along, quietly plotting to destroy the NHS.

pas de bourree-ing the NHS into submission then balancé-ing on its grave.

unless they are wasting their time pas-de-chat-ting on Mumsnet

YABVVVU. I don't want to live in a world where the arts are not funded.

I understand Oxbridge colleges charge higher than £9k fees too for a lot of courses - and for the same reason as RADA .. they can!.

^That's rubbish - as in not true (the Oxbridge bit) - fyi

User - it's my maths PhD friends who are saying they aren't doing anything with real world applications, just what they love. Although, personally I don't have any problem with funding that at all.

The skills acquired in creative study are also transferable. They're also directly employable in an industry that is essential to the economy.

I would suggest that most of the detractors know little about the industry.

BUT that doesn't mean I want to fund it

You're not, so you can stop worrying about it.

user7214743615 Wed 26-Apr-17 09:02:51
"I know a bunch of maths PhDs who are just doing what interests them. No useful application at all, and some won't complete, but fully funded. Is that any different?

It is very different, because the skills acquiring during a PhD in abstract mathematics are transferable into many jobs that are essential for the economy. "

And British theatre and television has no impact at all on the economy? Tourists don't come to London to go to plays and musicals?

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It's a frivolous degree. Waste of money.

You shouldn't be sacrificing your childhood for ballet or whatever.. such kids are often pushed by their parents.

Children often end up doing what their parents pushed them to and approved of until they are strong enough to make up their own mind.

Bright kids who get into medicine for example had to sacrifice a lot too.

So i agree with you op.

With art, you either are talented or not. Schooling in it is pointless."

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Do you know lots of "such kids" personally? Yes, some children are pushed into ballet school at a young age. Some of these burn out and go into different careers.

But many more enter full time ballet training because they simply HAVE to dance, and have a very hard time when they can't dance for whatever reason - usually injury.

And as for schooling not being necessary if you're talented in the Arts - words fail me. Do you think all our actors, opera singers, musicians and ballet dancers are self taught?

Of course they are, Elphaba. If your dc have any talent, they will just pick up a trombone at the age of 18 and astonish the world. If they don't, then they can't have been talented.

Well DD would have got nowhere without serious expensive training AND shedloads of talent. She decided to do it at 13 without my permission or support - I was dragged in as bank & taxi

The one thing I knew was she was happier when Dancing her school grades rose, her mental health improved & her fitness went off the scale (equivalent to Olympic athletes - and of course they too get little help with costs)

There are tonnes of threads on here about me agonising about the amount she did (& the cost) so no all parents don't push & talent will get you pretty much nowhere without training