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To wonder wtf is going on in Wales?

385 replies

brexitstolemyfuture · 24/04/2017 22:20

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-labour-poll-wales-yogov-majority-seats-first-time-century-a7699776.html%3famp

Tories predicted to get a majority for the first time in a century. I thought this was fake news, but no it's real Shock

OP posts:
purits · 25/04/2017 19:42

NHS That was 70 years ago! get over it
National Minimum wage Tories gave them Living Wage
sure start "whether or not the programme has any discernible impact continues to be a controversial question."[wiki]
EU provides funding to poorer areas and they are still poor. People don't want charity, they want jobs.

LadyLance · 25/04/2017 19:44

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/british-fishermen-warned-brexit-will-not-mean-greater-catches re fishing, because someone mentioned it earlier in the thread.

I live in Cornwall, which has already gone blue, and voted for Brexit, which really was Turkeys voting for Christmas. The EU has done so much to help Cornwall, when Westminster doesn't give a shit, but because of the fishing industry and a few other issues, people were persuaded to vote out. I also think a lot of young people feel generally hopeless, and so aren't motivated to vote.

Equally, I know a lot of Tory voters who voted Remain, because they actually looked at the issues and felt that for them personally, Remaining would help. Even the CLA were largely in favour of remain.

I think Tory supporters are motivated to get out and vote, whereas supporters of other parties currently aren't. Conservatives are also using fear to dissuade people from voting Corbyn- but we need to fear the Conservatives too. In areas of high unemployment, or with a lack of stable jobs, the mandatory 6 week wait for Universal Credit will see people starve. Currently, foodbanks are plugging the gap, but they won't be able to forever.

CopperRose · 25/04/2017 19:45

*GhostofFrankGrimes,
*
Not just working class trade unions that champion equality and social justice too.
Real life actual working class people do so without a trade union. Shock

Short termism wrt right to buy? New houses not built?
Am wondering why this wasn't addressed between 1997 & 2010...

Blue collar working class are not 'voting against their own interest' with a Tory govt - in fact, blue collar working class are often on a great deal more per annum than several traditionally middle class roles.

Wrt 'good for you. Enjoying 20% vat and higher food bills'?
I manage just fine thank you.
Kids aren't starving, house is warm, I am living within my means with no dramas.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/04/2017 19:51

Real life actual working class people do so without a trade union.

are trade unionists not real life people?

Short termism wrt right to buy? New houses not built?
Am wondering why this wasn't addressed between 1997 & 2010...

New Labour = Thatcherism

Blue collar working class are not 'voting against their own interest' with a Tory govt - in fact, blue collar working class are often on a great deal more per annum than several traditionally middle class roles.

Good for them sure they'd feel right at home a Tory dinner party. Hmm

Wrt 'good for you. Enjoying 20% vat and higher food bills'?
I manage just fine thank you.*
Kids aren't starving, house is warm, I am living within my means with no dramas.

Record demand for food banks under Tory government.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/04/2017 19:53

NHS That was 70 years ago! get over it

And it is worth defending, not taken for granted,

EU provides funding to poorer areas and they are still poor. People don't want charity, they want jobs.

Areas largely decimated by the Tories in 80's in their rampant quest for neo liberal globalisation. The free market will liberate us all - just get on yer bike!

TittyGolightly · 25/04/2017 19:54

The Tories stole the name "living wage" for NMW and set their "living wage" circa £5 an hour below the actual, researched living wage. Hmm

YogaAndRum · 25/04/2017 19:54

For the love of God, could we all stop saying 'turkeys voting for Christmas'.

CopperRose · 25/04/2017 19:58

are trade unionists not real life people?

It was you who made the distinction between working class voters and trade unions, not me.

New Labour = Thatcherism

And yet people are waxing lyrical about how great it was under Blair.

Good for them sure they'd feel right at home a Tory dinner party. Hmm

You really are unbearably patronising.
What does a Tory dinner party have to do with being a blue collar worker?

Record demand for food banks under Tory government.

I didn't dispute that.
You made a snarky comment about how I'm coping with being lifted out of income tax as a low earner & I said I'm living within my means with no drama.
You really are very, very condescending.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/04/2017 20:08

And yet people are waxing lyrical about how great it was under Blair.

Good Friday Agreement, Sure Start and expansion of public services were huge positives under Blair. Housing wasn't, although those that benefited from right to buy under Thatcher probably enjoyed seeing their equity rise in the early 2000's.

What does a Tory dinner party have to do with being a blue collar worker?

It is an illusion that the Tories look after blue collar workers (usually championed by the right wing press). It allows the elite, the wealth hoarders to consolidate power.

You really are very, very condescending.

No, you are looking at your personal circumstances and not the wider societal damage Tory policy is doing to this country - food banks, zero hour contracts, fit for work etc.

AmserGwin · 25/04/2017 20:09

I'm in North Wales and will be voting Labour as will most of the people I know. I usually vote Plaid Cymru, but am going with Labour this time. I also voted to stay in the EU! The madness is everywhere, not just Wales! For Example Trump! WTF?? Crazy

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 25/04/2017 20:20

Yes agree with titty re kiving wage

Tories purloined the name

wasonthelist · 25/04/2017 20:40

For the love of God, could we all stop saying 'turkeys voting for Christmas'.

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Apparently not - I made the same point several pages ago, but plently of people want to keep repeating bollocks cliches ad infinitum.

wasonthelist · 25/04/2017 20:46

Maybe we could have a sweep stake on how many posts it will be before the next use of "Turkeys VFC" - I guess 12.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 25/04/2017 20:49

Oh god i am really tempted to post that now was

Its like telling me not to touch the plate as its hot Grin

NotDavidTennant · 25/04/2017 20:49

Creme Eggs voting for Easter. Wink

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 25/04/2017 20:50

Haggis voted for burns night

CopperRose · 25/04/2017 21:05

...anyone voting for labour... WinkGrin

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 25/04/2017 21:14

More suggestions, as follows:-

Lamb voted/ing for Easter.
Pots/Spuds/Tatties voted/ing for Bonfire Night.
Turkeys voted/ing for Thanksgiving.
Turnips Pumpkins voted/ing for Hallow E'en.

Grin
Justanotherlurker · 25/04/2017 21:14

New Labour = Thatcherism

IMO whilst its true that New Labour let Wales down, South Wales has been at the pointy end of the globalization stick and no one has done anything, except set dr who there, in the last 20 years. The failures of labour have been noted at this point. and while the tories never claimed to want to help Wales so they haven't let them down since Thatcher, and she was a while ago now. Being ignored by New Labour is much more recent.

To be fair there have been tentative nods to trying to bolster the economy, but i do feel the region has been propped up by EU subsidy and the politicians have taken that as a sign that its cool to just leave the place on life support. -but this is the economic equivalent of a coma.
I dont know if voting conservative is going to help Wales, i rather doubt it. BUT this is to me a nod that wales knows who is being honest with it and who is lying to it. -sometimes an honest uneasy alliance which delivers you what you want (brexit here) is preferable to being let down by a so called friend.

Rambling aside, S Wales at least doesn't have much left to lose at this point. Voting labor hasn't helped, why not roll the dice on Conservative?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/04/2017 21:21

The Nestle jobs moves to Poland shows that globalisation after Brexit is going nowhere. Globalisation is the key issue.

When the Tories decimated the north in the 80's the unemployed were told to get on their bikes and look for opportunities. Does the same not apply under globalisation? The highly skilled will be mobile and find work, others won't. But thats Tory capitalism in a nutshell - somebody wins, somebody loses.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/04/2017 21:25

For the love of God, could we all stop saying 'turkeys voting for Christmas'.

I blame spitting image Grin

TittyGolightly · 25/04/2017 21:32

why not roll the dice on Conservative?

That's not so much a dice roll as playing roulette with a fully loaded gun.

NotDavidTennant · 25/04/2017 21:33

Welsh cakes voting for St David's Day is the most fitting I think...

wasonthelist · 25/04/2017 22:04

I didn't mean it to unleash a wave of equally shit soundbites. Oh well, law of unintennded consequences I suppose :)

Gwenhwyfar · 25/04/2017 22:27

"If we import more than we export"

But we don't in Wales.