To wonder wtf is going on in Wales?

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-labour-poll-wales-yogov-majority-seats-first-time-century-a7699776.html%3famp

Tories predicted to get a majority for the first time in a century. I thought this was fake news, but no it's real

Good luck to Wales. When they finally realise the Tories don't give two fucks about the 'JAMS', it'll be too late.

The valleys voted for Brexit though, and I agree that immigration seemed to be a factor- I wonder if there is a fear of immigration there because it is so run down? They fear losing what little they have

Nope. Just ignorance and the power of the red top press.

I'm in England but very near Wales and the tories always win here- they have done for decades. I think it's because in our area lots of people are only just outside of the tax credit bracket so work really hard and get little in terms of benefits. They hate the fact others don't work the same hours but get top ups instead. they have no experience of life when you need benefits and so have no real understanding of why people need them. They want to protect what they have worked hard to earn.

They're not really thinking further ahead than their own stuff especially since their wages have stagnated and they are paying higher rents or mortgages.

I wish the labour party would consider reassuring these people who imo make up the majority of voters.

But the people here I've heard saying they will vote Tory aren't the JAMs even, I understand them. They are the NMs (not managing) - totally reliant on benefits. And they want to vote for the people cutting those benefits?! Totally batshit.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - HL Mencken

the Right looks for converts, the Left looks for traitors...

Nope. Just ignorance and the power of the red top press.
IMHO this is a patronising and lazy analysis that keeps on being trotted out like the flaming turkeys one. It's not a very charitable view of our fellow citizens is it?

wasonthelist

and such lazy, unoriginal thinking too.

wasonthelist sorry, I see you already said that! #Irony

There's an interesting correlation between societal homogeneity and support for social benefits - essentially, voters who feel more similar to their fellow citizens are stronger supporters of social benefits because they can see people like them benefitting and it reinforces the belief that THEY could benefit at some point.

The more heterogeneous a society becomes, the more people worry that a different social group may be disproportionately benefitting over them. Even when this is provably not the case, support for social benefits decreases. The reverse is true as well, when people feel resources are tighter, job opportunities are scarcer etc, they become less open to perceived competition.

Hence why places in the country that are struggling were more likely to vote for Brexit and are now less likely to vote for a party they think will hand out benefits to "people not like me". For a party with a history of and continuing links to unionism, I'm surprised that the Labour party cannot see or won't acknowledge this phenomenon.

IMHO this is a patronising and lazy analysis that keeps on being trotted out like the flaming turkeys one. It's not a very charitable view of our fellow citizens is it?

I live in the South Wales valleys. Do you?

This is brilliant news!

Let's hope we are now heading for a good Tory majority to enable Mrs.May to concentrate on getting us successfully out of the EU.

Completely agree with Titty, it's ignorance.

The day after the Brexit vote, i overheard 2 young local charity shop workers discussing the fact they'd voted to leave, adding 'but we can rejoin if it doesn't work out can't we?'

Not just a Welsh thing i agree, but illustrates Tittys point.

When I was in the polling booth for the referendum, a baseball-capped young gentleman came in and stated to the room "can't wait to vote to get all of the Muslims out".
I can think of a grand total of two small Muslim families who live in the area...

Mmm same as in England really it's the Corbyn, Abbott, Thornbury trio of hopeless incompetence. Theresa looks more competent. A performing seal looks more confident snd competent.

Sorry to say as a labour suppprter of many years not the last few.

It's disasterous.

Labour aren't looking very credible right now. It pains me to say it, but with uncertainty ahead with Brexit, a party which is apparently offering extra bank holidays, putting up the minimum wage, and NHS funding when at the moment we are barely making ends meet is not looking like a plausible bet at the moment.

I live in the South Wales valleys. Do you?

I do...

Then I'm not sure how you don't see it.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Also don't forget Labour's traditional bedfellows, militant trade unions.
Those who were around in the 70s will remember the dreadful periods of strikes, when the country was virtually held to ransom.
That's what you would be voting for with the awful Corbyn.

That article completely sums it up Titty
It's incredibly depressing.

Whereas under May we can all be exploited with impunity, sacked for being pregnant and healthcare the majority can't afford. Sounds like utopia.

Here you go SusannahL - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2910225-How-can-anyone-defend-TM-right-now?pg=6*

I hate to say this but you see some of the attitudes here are precisely why labour lost the election and Brexit happened.

So people who vote Tory snd Brexit are

'stupid and turkeys voting for Christmas, everyone is better of in Europe, immigration figures are masssged and it's all the fault of the right wing press'

It's patronising snd sneering, telling people they are too stupid to understand the issues.

See thing is it might be true but you have to have clever effective leadership to persuade people not patronise them.

Loathe them or love them Blaire, Thatcher, and yes Farrage understood voters and was a good communicator.

May isn't but her team are a hell of a lot better at it than Corbyn/Abbott etc.

Exploited, sacked for being pregnant?

Where on EARTH did you get those ridiculous ideas from?

As for unaffordable healthcare, well a large problem with the NHS is of course a massive increase in our population, due to the horrific policy of uncontrolled immigration, encouraged by the last Labour government.