WTAF???? DH has just done this...

[ArsenalsPlayingAtHome]

I know I am NBU but I just need to see if everyone else would be as fuming as I am.

DH has just picked DCs up from school. Last night DH cooked delicious roast chicken dinner. He was in charge of clearing up afterwards. There were two chicken pieces which he left on the hob in the roasting tin. I thought he was going to give them to the dog.

DD aged 7yrs has just come upto me and told me that she's just eaten two pieces of chicken and it was delicious!

I've checked...DH didn't heat up the chicken, which has been on the top of the hob in our warm kitchen, *(ie not in the fridge) for approximately 10 hours.

I thought she'd just swiped them, but no, DH gave them her to eat. FFS!

Hold on am i missing something? They'd been cooked the night before and had only been sat on the cooker overnight? Isn't that the same as making a roast chicken sandwich from leftovers? lol how is this trending???

Well that is entirely dependant upon how said chicken has been treated.

If it has been allowed to cool from cooking temperature, left out overnight, thus sitting in the danger zone if terms of ambient temperature, and left for hours more STILL ambient, no not at all the same.

Common sense and basic science will tell you that said chicken has been uncoiled, therefore exposed to all types of bacteria and thus becomes potentially fatal. It is ignorance of basic stuff such as this that earns chicken its' High Risk label.

All foods pose little risk for human consumption if they are treated, cooked and stored correctly. It is only ignorance of these safe practices and avoidance methods that bring risk or harm to others.....

Does nobody remember the wedding caterer who chilled his champagne but not his chicken for guests? Who then ended up in jail?

"Most people" do lots of suboptimal things.

I mean, there's not much to argue in this thread, really. It's a demonstrably proven fact that eating meat that has been left at room temperature for hours or more puts you at a small risk of food poisoning (significantly higher that if you had refrigerated the meat after cooking).

It doesn't happen every time - lots of people eat leftovers like this many times without getting sick - but the risk IS increased. Doing it once is not something to panic about, but there's no harm in being careful and asking OH to refrigerate leftovers in the future (it's not exactly difficult to stick the chicken in the fridge, after all).

I liken it to wearing a seatbelt when I drive. I've never actually crashed, so I could say "I have never worn a seatbelt in my life and I'm just fine", but on the off chance that I'm involved in an accident one day, I prefer to lower my risk of serious repercussions, especially given that there is such a low-effort way of doing so readily available to me.

*unchilled

You know you are NBU...

Being married to you has upsides I'm sure but please do not think this is one of them.

I think she might survive OP.

She'll probably be ok, but it's not ideal and he deserves a lecture.

A few months ago my DH let my DD eat leftover rice from the Chinese takeaway that he had left out all night. My god I was angry about that. How can anyone be so stupid??

"Most people leave their Turkey carcass sitting on a counter on Christmas Day and then go back and cut more off it on Boxing Day"

Do they really? They've obviously never known anyone with salmonella.

My mum got it in her 40's

She's had digestive problems ever since, before that she could (and would) eat anything (hence getting salmonella in the first place).

Now there are so many things that make her sick if she eats them. Stuff she used to love, which she has to deny herself because her digestive system can't manage it any more.

Why would anyone risk that? It's bizarre how gung ho people are about food safety, Mumsnet still has the power to surprise me.

Most people leave their Turkey carcass sitting on a counter on Christmas Day and then go back and cut more off it on Boxing Day

Urgh! No they bloody well don't - unless they're complete idiots. You strip it down and store it in the fridge like a normal person with any ounce of common sense.

Not sure how that can only be 10 hours.

Most people leave their Turkey carcass sitting on a counter on Christmas Day and then go back and cut more off it on Boxing Day

That's lazy and disgusting

It's gross - can't believe everyone thinks its ok...... a germ breeding ground. YUK

There was a thread recently where dozens of posters said how disgusting it was to strain veg against the side of a sink.

But it's OK to eat left out chicken days later.

I know what I think is safer.

Op I'm with you on this.

I wouldn't be impressed!

I wouldn't eat it and definitely wouldn't feed it to a child - yes, you might be fine ... or you might not. No wonder there's such a high incidence of food poisoning in this country. I'd be annoyed too OP.

Definately wouldn't eat this.

OP I would not eat that chicken. But hopefully she will be OK.

Hmmm, this is one where I'd let a grown-up make a choice about whether they wanted to eat it, but I probably wouldn't let a child. Without knowing whether the food was covered (especially in a nice sweaty greenhouse under clingfilm), how warm the kitchen was, whether there were flies around, and so on, it's hard to know quite how risky this was, but I would put this sort of incident in the big grey area of "eh, better safe than sorry - nope, kiddos, you get something else. Daddy can eat it if he wants."

Was it covered or in an open tin?beause if open then that's more gross - Flys, ants etc could be landing on it

and whoever said you can get food poisoning from chicken you ate WEEKS ago....catch yourself on. That's just not true.

scaryclown Mon 24-Apr-17 17:56:08

What's the above reference all about, then?

Flop in an open tin, there was a fly about, too! She is fine though, thankfully!
Thanks.

The ignorance of food hygiene astounds me

I am perfectly aware of the current guidelines on food hygiene. However I choose to ignore some of them. I fully understand the science behind it all and am comfortable with my decisions. And have never given anyone food poisoning in 40 years of cooking.

Yeah, open tin = rank. In our house there would be a little column of ants marching away from it.

1. It's probably still too soon to know if food poisoning has occurred. The symptoms can show up between hours to weeks later.
   For people claiming otherwise, don't take my word for it, just google "how long do food poisoning symptoms take to show up" and you can read information from the NHS on this very subject.

2. For those who claim people don't die from food poisoning and that leaving cooked meat out is okay.

a) My father is in his 80s. When he was a child his family was very poor and had no electricity so, obviously, food was not refrigerated. When he was about 10 his younger sister, aged 4 at the time, died from food poisoning. From eating left-over roast meat.

b) I've lived in two developing countries. Most people don't/didn't have refrigeration. Meat - when eaten - is bought for that day's use in small quantities, cooked immediately, and consumed immediately. If not for immediate use, it is usually cooked as a 'pickle' with large amounts of salt and vinegar to preserve, and re-heated thoroughly before it is eaten. Because that is one of the few safe ways to handle it without refrigeration.

c) both countries, while I was there, used to have depressingly frequent reports of large groups of people dying or being hospitalised as a result of poor food hygiene. Usually after attending a wedding where the caterers had prepared meat dishes in advance and had not kept them cool or reheated them properly.

Short version - sorry but you are not necessarily out of the woods yet. Keep an eye on your DD for signs of illness.
and

• your husband acted irresponsibily, and all those saying it's okay and that they would do the same have a remarkably cavalier attitude to their own health and that of their family.

I got campylobacter from a Chicken meal from a Chinese restaurant. I couldn't eat for a week and have never felt so ill. Besides the expected D&V it was like having bad flu with aches and pains, fever and chills. A friend, a hefty rugby player lost 2 stone in weight when he had it.
One should never take risks with poultry.
Children and frail people are especially vulnerable

and whoever said you can get food poisoning from chicken you ate WEEKS ago....catch yourself on. That's just not true

It was me .... here is NHS website guidelines .... eat your words