To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

YABU. There are nutters on both sides. Cameron, Johnson and all the other Eton Tory elite are known to have utter contempt for the working classes but maybe are better at keeping it behind closed doors at their elitist clubs. Unless they are setting fire to £20 notes in front of homeless people.

Statistically - your use of I'm in Scotland is revealing...

There are far worse insults on the planet than calling someone a 'Tory' : usually prefixed by a discussion that there's a reason why there aren't any many in Scotland.

As far as politics go I'm far more interested in policy than personality. I saw a meme recently which basically said if you agree with labour policy but won't vote labour because of Jeremy Corbyn you are in essence burning down the house because you don't like the curtains.

I like Labour's policies, increasing funding for education and NHS- having struggled to get my extremely intelligent DD into school because she needs a TA and that was 'too expensive' and having had to have emergency surgery yet there be no bed for me recently so I had to stay in the operating theatre's recovery area for over 24 hours I can see just how necessary that is.

Also being disabled and having been humiliated by ATOS I like the policies around disability Labour have. I also know people who have been left in poverty due to ATOS.

So yes I'm left wing. Having experienced what I have in life has led me to support all the policies I've listed and knowing that the Tories are the exact opposite on everything I've mentioned and having lived through what their ideology does to people I do have difficulty on understanding people who vote for that, people suffering. I do believe it shows either an extremely privileged life, a lack of empathy, a lack of imagination or all three.

That said people have the right to vote as they choose. I'm more pissed off at all those who don't bother their arses to vote at all.

Nutjobs from all leanings IMO. Its perfectly normal to have a few rabid supporters of anything in life.

Yanbu ive seen this in vegan groups too where you might expect to find compassion and understanding, rather than violent threats, vitrol and general shitty attitude towards the 'other'.very divisive and gets us no where.

I think the point is that Tories are both structurally and unwittingly nasty, and fundamentally nasty, whereas left wingers are nasty in their pursuit of less nastiness but i hardly think its 'nasty' pointing out thousand pound trousers or £25 candles or huge breakfast expenses when a prime minister is expecting the country's poor, disabled, elderly, young, least we'll educated citizens to live near foodbank, and severe fuel poverty levels to 'helping' our poor struggling country get back on its feet'.

What do you consider a vicious attack. It all well bouncing words around but what do you consider to be vicious?

I consider myself left wing. However I absolutely detest the attitude from some other lefties that all right leaning people are racist and stuff.

Same as those who say all out voters are racist. A lot are, and has been proved over and over but certainly not all out voters as is made out.

This is a odd post. The idea that the right aren't vitriolic or nast
y, needs a huge amount of mental gymnastics.

I think in the real world the insults are fairly even...in britain

I agree that on mumsnet some of the worst things are directed at people who have voted tory

I also think that anyone who tells someone else to leave the country if they are unhappy with the government or brexit or anything similar is a complete fuckwit

People? Holding opinions? Being a bit ott about them? Noooooo.

What can you really insult the left about?

They do get the whole 'loony left' etc but when it comes to personal attacks there's not a great deal of ammunition compared to the right, is there?

Right wing voters are deliberately voting in a party who have increased the divide between the rich and poor, who have cut benefits to those most vulnerable and caused incredible hardship to those people. Food bank use is skyrocketing under the tories.

It's easy to make personal attacks in the face of that, especially given that left leaning voters are more likely to have experienced first hand the brutality of austerity and cuts.

When it comes to left what insults can you really make?

'How dare you want to redistribute wealth, care for society's most vulnerable and force big businesses to pay their fair share of taxes. You, you, you.... loony'

Brexit isn't a left/right split though so muddies everything.

I'm cynical about this election being based on Brexit though. We're at peak anti Corbyn saturation in the media, Tory approval rating is at a high so Mrs May wants to capitalise in that and give us five more years of cuts and suffering for those who are most vulnerable. There won't be a recognisable NHS by the end of it, either. As for education it'll be back to the 60s with that, too.

The whole 'hard brexit' and the knock on effect to our economy set the perfect scene for Tory ideology of cutting public spending to absolutely nothing.

Unless you have sufficient income to not need any top ups and have enough for private medical insurance and private education then voting Tory doesn't seem a sensible option to me.

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Are you kidding? One of my most vivid MN memories is of the then Ukip supporting Claig describing how he/she/they would like to step on the necks of lefties (her enemies as she put it). And plenty of other MNers agreeing heartily. Horrible comment from one of MN's strangest posters.

What's your point ilikebeanswithketchup? I mentioned I'm in Scotland because we've had different recent political history thanks to indyref and the rise of the snp so the differential is relevant

Unless you're in fact suggesting something else

I am suggesting you aren't Scottish perhaps?

The legacy of what Thatcher did to Scotland and any working class community because she knew they would never vote Conservative, and she -and others- didn't care, has pretty much led to many of the issues we now see in Scotland!

Anyway, pretty sure the use of 'Tory' as an insult actually goes back to nineteenth century Ireland. Someone on this thread may well know more about that.

'How dare you want to redistribute wealth, care for society's most vulnerable and force big businesses to pay their fair share of taxes. You, you, you.... loony'

There you have it.

I agree with Lucille. There isn't a lot of difference between the far left and the extreme right - so no YANBU.

Thatcher made my family. Her social mobility policies helped my father move from a mining town in poverty to the beautiful Surrey town I grew up with where he could educate us privately. Thatcher was strong and brilliant and I bloody love her.

Do explain how that worked roarityroar because I'm confused.

Margaret Thatcher was in power from 1979-90.

I'm from the milk and honey South East and was 20 during the miners' strike of 1984. What skills did your dad have that enabled him to move himself and his entire family to where I lived from a mining town? Was he the only city trader in the village?

YANBU

I rather thought that might be where you were going. But I am very definitely Scottish, born and grew up in a rough as arse council estate - to be fair I don't think it could ever have accurately been called working class though.

The number of seats the Tories have in the Scottish parliament suggests there's plenty of Scots voting Tories about. Roughly the same number as votes labour funnily enough.