To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

BillSykes Well, let's just take a few at random:
EU opens door to 79m from Turkey Is that true? That's the entire population of Turkey that they're suggesting would up sticks and leave their country. It also ignores the fact that EU member states have a veto on Turkey joining the EU, something which it has tried and failed to do for decades.
We can't stop migrants Why not? We're not part of Schengen, so why aren't we policing our borders?
The Swarm on our Streets Straightforward hate-speech or, 'perfectly reasonable reporting'?
Do I want censorship? No. But don't pretend those headlines aren't blatant propaganda.

There's definitely an air of "I'm a good person and anyone who doesn't agree with me must be evil" about a lot of my left wing friends. And if I see one more of them post "tax the rich", without a shred of an idea how to do it, what "the rich" already contribute, and how to keep the rich here whilst taxing them beyond a certain point, my eyes will fall out.

It's a harsh and unpalatable truth: the right wing rich person paying a lot of tax is actually contributing a lot more to the people the left want to help than a whole host of posts on Facebook, which is all a lot of people seem to do about it!

What was it Maggie said - "the problem with socialism is that you tend to run out of other people's money", or words to that effect. Sad but true.

Maggie was a bit of a twat so let's not go quoting her. That is not the problem with Socialism, the problem with Socialism is some groups of people feeling that other groups aren't pulling their weight and so don't deserve to benefit from the country's collective wealth, or feeling that some groups don't belong. When society is do fragmented its hard for taxpayers to feel that they are helping their peers, just "others" , especially if they feel they don't get anything in return (a common misconception)

Maggie was a bit of a twat so let's not go quoting her

This

"Maggie was a bit of a twat so let's not go quoting her"

Blimey. We forget out history at our peril.

Er, sorry - did you just tell me what to post/not to post?!? I have no problem with anyone thinking she was a total twat, but I wouldn't tell you not to post it! That's not how discussion works.

Is there an example of a left wing government that's done a good job and hasn't ended its term with the economy in shreds, then?

is having a pro Corbyn stance wrong? I feel you are missing the fundamental point

There is nothing wrong with having a pro Corbyn stance, but the Canary and Buzzfeed are the lefts equivalent of Breitbart, as I said when people start dismissing Guardian, New Statesman and even Huff po maybe its not the bogey man of "muh right wing media brainwashing" and could point to an actual issue with Corbyn himself.

Also I'm not missing any fundamental point, Momentum and Corbyn's most vocal supporters are not about winning people round, they prefer ideological purity, which is nice when its student politics but when your looking to govern a country purging anyone slightly to the right is not a winning strategy.

The left (not all of them but some) can be very rude and the Conservatives tend to be less so. However a lot of that is just upbringing and class. I don't think we should hold it against Labour. I never personally criticise anyone and I think we can bring people to the Tory cause with facts and careful logic (and I hope June 2017 proves me right). Also don't forget loads of us Tories including me are Remain supporters. The Brexit vote did not just divide families and the nation but also Labour and Tory voters too within their parties.

Finland has done well despite being hit very hard by the recessions in the 90s and 2008 plus the Russian sanctions limiting one of its biggest trading partners. Tax money is spent better (always room for improvement but pretty good) and the results are enjoyed by everyone.

JanetBrown2015

The left (not all of them but some) can be very rude and the Conservatives tend to be less so. However a lot of that is just upbringing and class

Sorry but that is snobbish nonsense.

@JanetBrown2015 that was very rude, snobby and elitist. A part from that it was inaccurate and ignorant.

Mmm, but it's not entirely left wing, is it? Not in the way that Corbyn and co would like.

But OK, let's give it the benefit of the doubt. 1 example. Any others? What about in the UK?

"The left (not all of them but some) can be very rude and the Conservatives tend to be less so. However a lot of that is just upbringing and class."

Come back to me when you've found some socialists burning cash in front of homeless people.............

Also there are..as Janet proves..more ways to be rude and nasty to the opposition than swearing

I love the way when comparing left v right, people are quite happy to cite Momentum, but seem very reluctant to include those right wingers from the cesspits of BNP, EDL, NF, Britain First etc. - Right wingers at their finest and politest.

applebite A lot more left wing than the British left wing and that's even with a centre-right party leading the government. The real Finnish left wing is a lot more left than Corbyn. You can look at any other Nordic country for an example of how social democracies work.

But it has a population of 5,000,000. Is it really a good comparable to the UK?

Economies of scale make a lot of aspects easier in a larger population but the issue is that the population in the UK doesn't feel "together" as such - there's too big of a divide between classes and social groups. Like I said earlier, if people don't think of the rest of the population as being part of 'their' group then they will resent paying taxes to support them so public support for the welfare state etc. falls.

Both left & right extremists are aggressive for different reasons. Right wingers feel superior, & left wingers feel like the under dog/ minority / less well educated / less well off / call it what you will.

I do think people need to realise that your 'average' voter (ie the ones the campaigners will target) have no idea who Momentum are , what The Canary is (I don't!), read through Buzzfeed regularly (although it does get quite a lot of Facebook traffic, it doesn't seem political to me , at least not the bits I see) and doesn't read manifestos.

I think we need to take our heads out of the clouds a bit.

As a left winger, I am often told I am in a bubble and stuff about unicorns and echo chambers. I think anyone - left or right - who thinks most voters are thinking about the complexities of Momentum and even about media bias need to engage with 'real voters' a little more.

As a PP said, we who know how we will vote are not the ones the media or the politicians are courting.

The left (not all of them but some) can be very rude and the Conservatives tend to be less so. However a lot of that is just upbringing and class

This made me say ' oh dear' for so many many different reasons!!

But it has a population of 5,000,000

So... equivalent to the population of Scotland then??!

surfer - I know you are trying t help, but I don't think most of the left wingers on here are angry/ disappointed/ outspoken because the feel less wee educated !!

hahaha oops well not wee...

"left wingers feel like the under dog/ minority / less well educated / less well off / call it what you will."

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel.

I know we're not supposed to suggest that Brexiters don't understand what's going on, but really............