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To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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cathf · 22/04/2017 14:22

This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

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muckypup73 · 23/04/2017 21:49

LassWiTheDelicateAir , scotland are entitled to their snp, i would vote for them if i could! i wish corbyn wasnt so pig headed and actually teamed up with the snp, but hes too much of an ass.

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 22:18

@Justanotherlurker if they could give me some compelling facts that shows the Tories are not who I think they are, I would be very happy to listen and discuss. But I can honestly say I have never heard anything that can be backed up by facts or evidence that paints them in a positive light. Where as from the other side I can provide many facts and evidence that show what the SNP have done and continue to do for Scotland, but mostly the people I have come across who are voting Tory hate the SNP so there's little you can do to have a discussion. I do like a good debate and love to learn new things. That's why I quite like coming on to MN, people are much more willing to share their honest views. I started another thread similar to this one a few days ago for exactly that insight

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 22:25

LassWiTheDelicateAir , scotland are entitled to their snp

And I'm entitled not to vote for them. What is your point?

Where as from the other side I can provide many facts and evidence that show what the SNP have done and continue to do for Scotland

Really? The SNP is a disaster.

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 22:27

@LassWiTheDelicateAir evidence?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 22:28

mostly the people I have come across who are voting Tory hate the SNP

I first voted in 1979 and voted Labour in every general election. I hate the SNP.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 22:29

@LassWiTheDelicateAir evidence

I live in Scotland.

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 22:31

@LassWiTheDelicateAir that doesn't mean that you saying the snp is a disaster, is a fact Hmm I also live in Scotland by the way and think the SNP have been great for Scotland.

muckypup73 · 23/04/2017 22:49

It makes you think about the idiots that voted Trump!!! same things happening with Corbyn!

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 22:56

This is great, everyone should do this. You basically pick what's important to you and it tells you the parties you align with!

uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

BillSykesDog · 23/04/2017 23:32

granny, do a little digging and almost all of those sites are heavily biased to one party or another.

The one you have linked to is owned by a prominent Bernie Sanders activist who is heavily left wing. The site has pretty convincingly been accused of a heavy left wing bias.

ShoesieQ · 23/04/2017 23:33

BigGranny - that's brilliant - thanks so much for posting Smile

BillSykesDog · 23/04/2017 23:33

water, agree with you totally. The Lib Dems held the Tories back on their worst excesses. I would have like another coalition.

ShoesieQ · 23/04/2017 23:38

BillSykesDog - well I came out as a Lib Dem which is a bit futher to the right than I was expecting! Plus it asked lots of really interesting questions that really made me think

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 23:39

@BillSykesDog I dug. I answered the questions very differently and several attempts at the quiz and got very different answers. I'm satisfied that it's balanced enough to nod someone in the vague right direction, these things, as everything should always be taken with a pinch of salt, but you are all a savvy bunch :)

@ShoesieQ it's pretty good. Also made me think more carefully about what matters and how much!

ShoesieQ · 23/04/2017 23:40

I agree with Nick Water too Grin

ExplodedCloud · 23/04/2017 23:50

I came out on the basic quiz as a tie between Labour & Lib Dem which is OK BUT it cheerfully declared me to be a Lib Dem rather than Labour Confused

BigGrannyPants · 24/04/2017 00:03

Anyone who's done the quiz, did you read all the way to the bottom? It's very interesting! Breaks it down to your specific area!

StillHungryy · 24/04/2017 01:17

Makes me feel ill 47% UKIP

To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY
StillHungryy · 24/04/2017 01:22

It is quite interesting

To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY
To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY
StillHungryy · 24/04/2017 01:23

These are all themes

To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY
ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 24/04/2017 07:15

I came out as 78% PC : not living in Wales, this could be tricky....

I fail to understand how the quiz says I side with LD and UKIP on immigration issues....

frumpet · 24/04/2017 07:25

I think one of the problems of slating people for voting for a particular party is that very few people agree wholesale with everything a particular party stands for . So I know Conservative voters who disagreed with the bedroom tax and the way in which the disabled have been treated , but also believe that the Tories are the best party to deal with the economy and as a result believe that everyone will benefit .

I know Labour voters who are quite frankly embarrassed by the whole momentum movement , but who believe that Labour will introduce policies that are 'fairer' to the general population .

I am still undecided as to who to vote for in the GE.

Pinkandwhiteblossoms · 24/04/2017 07:52

The cutbacks towards disabled people is my tripping point with the conservatives.

I know not many on here will agree but I am in favour of the bedroom tax. Here, we have many pensioners living in three bedroom family homes and often sleeping downstairs, which means in effect there's three unused rooms. I am also in favour of cuts to tax credits (I would be in favour of scrapping them altogether in favour of a more straightforward and workable system actually.)

I think one of the problems is that disabled is so broad a term and so many things fall under it. Ideally, I suppose, everybody's benefits would be worked out on a case by case basis. Again, I know this won't be popular on here, but there are some disabilities that beyond some adjustments at work don't really require any further financial input (imo) - diabetes and so on. Some milder forms of some disabilities on a sliding scale, too - I've known people with cerebral palsy who have it very mildly and live a completely normal life. But then at the other end of the scale, I've known people who can't move at all with it and are in effect locked into their bodies.

So someone might say 'someone with cerebral palsy is disabled' but it doesn't take into account the severity of the spectrum.

Years ago, when at university and after I left, I worked as a support worker for disabled people. Many were severely disabled and would never have been able to work, usually because their mobility was so restricted. Obviously, being in a wheelchair isn't in itself indicative someone can't work at all but if you can't support your head or move your arms, I think most people would agree work wouldn't be possible. There are also some learning difficulties that are so severe someone just wouldn't be able to manage. I cared for a man who's function was less than a ten month old baby and again the idea he could work would be ridiculous. I know there are other examples but I won't go on and on.

But, there were a minority of people who had disabilities but not on the same scale as the above. And it was not, contrary to belief, anything to do with being workshy. I guess that they'd just never been told they could work or had it suggested to them, maybe? I don't know. But I do remember that with some of them it really was like Disneyland. Every day was shopping, visits to the city, the cinema, the flower show, festivals, trips to the beach (this was on the England/Wales border so involved driving or taking the train the length of Wales!) the zoo, safari park, Drayton manor, I could go on. I mean, it was awesome for me and they DID get a discount to all the above so much cheaper but still. And ever day would be rounded off with a takeaway.

The weird thing was, the money seemed more generous for those less affected: one of the women I used to care for had to get a taxi to the swimming pool for a once a week shower, as she couldn't access the one in her house. Yet a man who could walk okay, with a stick, had a wet room. It made no sense.

I suppose I'd like to see a system that's fair, that gives the most money to the ones most affected. I feel from what people have said on here the system is too fussy and complex.

I am in favour of the assessments not being done by the individuals own GPS but I do feel a doctor or nurse should be the ones carrying out the assessments.

I do also think (final point) that with some forms of anxiety and depression work can be helpful and conducive to recovery and leading a normal life, so someone having a disability shouldn't in effect mean they shouldn't work.

mirime · 24/04/2017 08:16

The bedroom tax is a very blunt tool though. My cousin was living in a one bedroom flat with her partner and their two daughters. Got offered a housing association house, of courses they took it.

Bedroom tax was brought in and they had to pay it because it was a three bedroom house. In that case you have a family that was actually penalised was having got out of overcrowded accommodation.

As for people with disabilities working, bias and discrimination from employers should be dealt with. You can make things as difficult as you like financially to 'encourage' people into work, but if nobody will give them a job it's cruel and pointless.

Ceto · 24/04/2017 08:27

I agree that it this government's attitude to the most vulnerable members of society that means I could not possibly vote for them. The cuts they have implemented mean that councils have no hope of being able to meet their legal obligations, both in terms of education and care, to disabled children, and as a result in my field of work I regularly see such children and their families in desperate straits. Because of the way this government and its predecessor have decimated legal aid, it is very difficult to enforce such rights as they have. Yet if you ask a Conservative politician about it, you will get the party line which completely ignores reality.

What particularly worries me is that the effect of cuts is now damaging child protection. As a result, more children will be abused, and more will die. Yet the Conservatives would still rather make promises about cutting tax than make sure that such services are properly funded.