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AIBU?

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AIBU to not understand why "normal" people vote Tory?

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olddogsnewtricks · 18/04/2017 15:37

OK, so I'll probably get flamed for this but am genuinely interested! All the people I know who vote Tory are pretty well off so use private schools and healthcare. As a family we need the NHS and we need a good education system - and I can't see them getting any better under the Tories. Are these just not priorities for Tory voters or do they really believe they will improve even with a Conservative government?

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lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 14:23

Another day - have you actually read the articles? I do not live in Wiltshire but I have no doubt that these things are happening and will continue to happen and will become more widespread.

Devilishpyjamas · 21/04/2017 14:24

Virgin Care also sues the NHS www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/297e7714-089f-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b

Justanotherlurker · 21/04/2017 14:25

Here's your evidence (some)

They rebid for an existing contract?

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/26/nhs-watchdog-signed-off-doomed-750m-contract-despite-doubts

Devilishpyjamas · 21/04/2017 14:28

Doctors organisations aren't that happy with the Tories www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-crisis-conservative-government-tory-party-blame-hospitals-humanitarian-red-cross-unions-doctors-a7521451.html

(Although TBh if you spend any time on Facebook the next few weeks will be full doctors and other NHS staff sharing the reality of the NHS under the Tories. You can choose to believe it/care about it or not.

Devilishpyjamas · 21/04/2017 14:31

I have a friend with 2 severely disabled kids in a Virgin Care area - she said that they are shambolic in her area (not Wiltshire btw).

I am hoping we don't get them.

AnotherDayAnothetDollar · 21/04/2017 14:31

Yes I read them but equally I am always cautious of taking papers at face value after all I have heard lots of people spout about the daily mail for gods sake and no I don't read that either before you ask. I am certain public and private entities will get things wrong at some point. How they manage those mistakes and how they adapt is how I will judge whether something works or not.

I have no issues with the NHS and I have no issues with some parts being managed privately as long as there are safety catches etc.

You obviously think private companies have no place what so ever in the public services. You also think the articles back that up and the conservatives are to blame. I am not going to criticise you for that because that is why we have different parties to vote for.

Headofthehive55 · 21/04/2017 14:34

My experiences with the NHS 16 years ago were very poor. Disabled child, no help, disinterest and systems not even available so I could look after my child adequately. I work in the NHS and I think it has improved since then.
There are issues, yes, but I do feel a lot of the perceived quality of the service has as much to do with the interaction between staff and patients, the culture and values of the organisation, rather than the government.

NoMudNoLotus2 · 21/04/2017 14:37

Was there a golden era of the NHS? If so, when?

Hollycatberry · 21/04/2017 14:38

Ok so an NHS CCG has outsourced care services to a private firm. That's not not an example of privatisation of the NHS though. It seems you have an issue with private firms being used to deliver NHS services which is fair enough, but a different issue.

And I'm working from the following concept of privatisation:

"Privatisation if the process of transferring ownership of an organisation from government to the private sector. No shares have been issued in the NHS, nor distributed as vouchers to citizens. The NHS remains publically owned and funded...... and services are free at the point of the use." Adam Institute, published April 2015.

And Yy to everything anotherday said.

Headofthehive55 · 21/04/2017 14:41

I couldn't feed my child. I needed particular consumables to carry out the nursing care needed. The NHS would not / could not supply. Eventually this was contracted out to a private company, and I got regular supplies, when needed. So I'm not against companies / not for profits having involvement in healthcare.

Devilishpyjamas · 21/04/2017 14:43

I think this is still a possibility?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html

lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 14:57

All the doctors I went to school with have emigrated to the US or Canada.

lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 14:58

Sorry I meant Australia or Canada.

makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 15:23

Chilling article Devil....

JanetBrown2015 · 21/04/2017 15:33

Yes, qutie a lot of outsourcing has worked really well. The fact the left don't think so is fine. We will see who gets voted in in June.

Also the NHS has been rationed since inception and always will be but it works better than most systems and the Tories want to keep it so there is nothing to fear if people vote Conservative. There is no Tory plan to take us back to when my parents were children in the the 1930s before there was an NHS.

Sidge · 21/04/2017 15:43

Outsourcing to a private provider is not the same as selling off the NHS.

The patient isn't charged, and in most cases access and provision is improved. Waiting times are reduced and many patients can choose to be seen at a local centre, reducing travelling times.

I'm not saying outsourcing is perfect, but it's not necessarily the horror that people think it is.

lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 16:03

In most cases access is improved? How do you figure that when people who have to deal with Virgin healthcare have found that there is nobody to take their calls, just an answerphone and messages are ignored...

Sidge · 21/04/2017 16:19

In my area waiting times for many services such as ophthalmology, physio, gynae, orthopaedics and dermatology have reduced massively. Once referred you can attend a local clinic or community hospital rather than having to travel 20 miles to the city hospital. Parking is free.

I'm in Wiltshire and VirginCare here for paeds is fine IME - my DD was referred to the children's community team and was given an appointment within 2 weeks for 2 weeks time. I am sure there are families who have a different experience but my experiences have been fine, as have those for families I work with (I'm an HCP).

lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 16:39

Ok, can you explain to me how a private company can take over a public service, make a profit and still not cause a reduction in service? Because I genuinely don't understand this.

Sidge · 21/04/2017 17:02

No idea, I'm not an NHS manager, I don't work in finance or procurement.

I do know that there's a lot of waste and inefficiency in the NHS, as well as PFI debt and fines for breaching waiting times and targets.

JanetBrown2015 · 21/04/2017 17:08

We all know the answer but daren't give it as we'll upset MN posters.

lottieandmia · 21/04/2017 17:11

'We all know the answer but daren't give it as we'll upset MN posters.'

Not at all Xenia I'm willing to have my mind changed if the evidence suggests it and it would be a change from your usual exclamations of 'Jolly good, the Tories are going to win'

LouKout · 21/04/2017 17:12

Since when did you care about upsetting MN posters?

misspriggy · 21/04/2017 17:27

Well said JanetBrown and Anon exactly right!! That's why your soooo howwible !!

LouKout · 21/04/2017 17:30

Yes it is

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