to ask if there's anyone else who has never met a trans-person?

[manicinsomniac]

I have never (knowingly) met a trans person. I have no trans friends or acquaintances. I have never (in 11 years) taught a trans child. I have no friends whose children are non binary, trans or gender queer.

I'm not a recluse. I know 100s of people.

The prevalence of trans threads on mn baffles me. I know they're important issues. I find many things about the trans agenda very concerning. But I just struggle to believe it is as common and pervasive as reported. I've seen posters refer to ' all my trans friends' , there are several non binary children in dd's school', 'I know loads of trans people' and things like that.

Is there anyone else who, whatever their opinion on the apparent 'trend/craze' just does not see it in their every day lives - at all?

[BeyondUser24601]

(Nb I'm not sockpuppeting, we're different people!)

[reallyanotherone]

See apple the immediate thing that springs to mind with your cousin is a sexual assault around the time the "switched flipped".

It's very common for women to put on/lose a lot of weight or change their physical appearance to be less female and attractive to men.

[carabos]

I'm not aware that I know any trans people, but maybe I do. I did see a transvestite in the supermarket at the weekend - I'm saying transvestite because he was obviously a man wearing women's clothes, make up and wig. Impossible to say in those circs whether he is living as a woman or not. Whatever stage he is at, he's not "passing" as female - clearly a man.

[BeyondThePage]

Hi other Beyond

ooooo - hello, no one said hi before!

sorry... back to the thread...

[BeyondUser24601]

It's weird - like running into your doppelgänger!!
I'd seen you around but not been on a "live" thread at the same time

[Topuptheglass]

Kerry I've missed you!

I've never knowingly met a trans person, I certainly don't think I know any - unless I don't realise..

I'm in a small village in rural Ireland - most of those who may be trans have likely moved away to bigger cities.

[Topuptheglass]

I've seen pix on a make up group I used to be a part of & at the risk of sounding ignorant or rude - they were most definitely men dressed as women.

[brasty]

carabos Transvestites are also counted as transgender.And plenty of trans women, only "present" as women part time.

[Fruitcocktail6]

I don't know any trans people, and I live in London and have done all my life.

[Prawnofthepatriarchy]

I know two quite well, one dysphoric the other AGP. I also had a teacher at university who was MTT and was very unassuming, not at all like the transactivists. There are two cross dressers I see round town but I don't know whether they're trans.

I went to a supposedly feminist event in London last month where I encountered 3 transmen. One was so fragile and suicidal it made me fear for her. One of the others was a tiny, very pretty girl with short, dyed blonde hair. She spoke of the problems her masculine presentation caused her. I concealed my wildly rolling eyes. What masculine presentation? No one would see her as anything other than a very young, conventionally feminine woman. The other was also obviously female and nothing about her appearance suggested masculinity. I came away hoping that if, in some cases, transition involves no more than a haircut and a pair of DMs a lot of trans youth will grow out of it with no worse long term effects than I did when I wore the same back in my youth.

[MaidenMotherCrone]

I've seen a few but only known one. To be fair he was a man who liked to wear a Suzanne Vega wig and dangly earrings with a boiler suit ( as in workwear) and army boots carrying a clutch bag, or he'd be dressed in a male suit or there was that one time he knocked on my door dressed like a prostitute. I was confused never mind him. Regardless of his clothing, he was still a man and even if he'd been surgically modified, he'd still be a man with bits removed/added.

[RachelRagged]

On a course a few years ago was a trans MtoF . I do not know if she was actually female (ie had had the op) but dresses were worn , and make up and false nails and I thought she was fabulous .
Wish I'd given my facebook name now .. Really nice person .

[carabos]

Transvestites are counted as transgender . By whom? Isn't transvestism a sexual fetish? Is Grayson Perry transgender? I've never heard him describe himself that way. What about Eddie Izzard?

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I thought the trans umbrella now encompasses anyone who does not slavishly follow the stereotypical​ expectations of their gender 100% of the time - so basically everyone...

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

IE Stonewall says

"Trans – an umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth. Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) Transgender, Transsexual, Gender-queer (GQ), Gender-fluid, Non-binary, Gender-variant, Crossdresser, Genderless, Agender, Nongender, Third gender, Two-spirit, Bi-gender, Transman, Transwoman,Trans masculine, Trans feminine and
Neutrois"

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

By whom? Isn't transvestism a sexual fetish? Is Grayson Perry transgender? I've never heard him describe himself that way. What about Eddie Izzard?

Grayson Perry and the comedian Andrew O'Neill are firmly men who wear dresses and say that they are transvestites, not transgender.

andrew o'neill - Google Search
www.google.co.uk/search?q=andrew+o%27neill&site=webhp&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis5bG_9prTAhXsB8AKHUOfC0QQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=512&dpr=4#imgrc=2CUcHLc6vp7MnM:

Eddie Izzard used to call himself a transvestite but now says he is a transgender male lesbian

[Applebite]

I don't think she was sexually abused - but she was v badly bullied at school for a while at around that age, and I've always wondered if that had something to do with it.

[Dumbo412]

I've not to my knowledge met anyone who is trans. I don't think it will be long though. It seems terribly popular all of a sudden.

[thenewaveragebear1983]

I have never met a trans person in real life- I have seen several (eg at tesco, in town) and have met 3 male to female trans people (I'm so sorry if that's the wrong term) who were in the prison I used to work at (men's) They were, or at least the 3 I met there over 7 years, all exceedingly vulnerable and were placed with the vulnerable males (eg sex offenders, and people who place themselves as vulnerable due to bullying/ gang involvement etc)

[RogueBiscuit]

I know a ftm. They are loud, sexist and seem to have adopted the persona of a very abusive man. There's a constant stream of very young vulnerable girlfriends who meekly accept the public abuse. Very worrying.

[Evelight]

I know one from work. They are also a unionist/activist and I have never heard them speak about Trangender issues, only labour. We do not work closely- both of us are casual/part-timers so we run across each once in a while.
DD14 says there are two in her school.

Last year I went to three David Bowie tribute events and one of them was run by trans/queer people. It was amazing. I had no idea that sort of talent and dedication existed in our small provincial town. This year i found myself wishing David Bowie would somehow magically die again (well, you know what I mean, not actually) and there would be another run of tribute shows.

I was disappointed there were none for George Michael.

[Terfinator]

[MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed]

Thanks to the circles I run in, I've known a lot of them, probably more than the average person. Of the ones I knew quite well:

*Trans man, lovely person. Very stable and blokey.

*Trans woman, notorious lunatic. Death threats and suicide threats not just aimed at me but at a whole bunch of people. Has since moved on to other targets.

*Trans woman, hysterical bully. Got involved in a very toxic relationship and used it to abuse their friends to the point of suicidal thoughts.

*Trans woman, started off shy and nice with a painfully performative kind of femininity, then turned on their female friends for not agreeing with every word that came out of their mouth.

*Trans woman, incredibly bitchy about literally every woman that crossed their path. Bitchy in an extreme way I have yet to see from even the bitchiest of women I've known.

Not a single trans woman I have ever come across has been someone I would consider stable or pleasant to be around, and I see them on a regular basis. Most of the trans men, on the other hand, have been rather normal by comparison.

[heron98]

The girl my mum used to childmind when we were kids is now a man. I am not sure if that's the same as "trans". But that's the only person I know of.

[skerrywind]

The girl my mum used to childmind when we were kids is now a man.

No, she is a woman.
It's not possible to change sex.