AIBU to beg you not to bet on the Grand National? It's animal abuse.

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Please think about what you're condoning.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=grand+national+deaths&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhieOLlZXTAhUCOxoKHTDFDagQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=638

www.independent.co.uk/voices/grand-national-races-animal-cruelty-get-rid-of-dangerous-jump-a7672131.html

"It’s time for the Grand National again – that curious time of year when people who claim to like horses gather to exploit them, often hurting and killing them in the process.

Since 2000, 48 horses have died at the annual festival that the National is part of. Others have suffered horribly with broken backs, necks or legs, severed tendons, or heart attacks. This is the reality of British horse racing."

If you use this as entertainment, the blood of murdered horses is on your hands as well.

Would you bet on a race where human beings fell and broke their legs or necks and had to be shot? At least they would have consented. Horses cannot consent to this life.

Would you be "fine" with it as long as it hadn't happened since 2012, despite horses dying after the race from their injuries since then?

Please don't be dazzled by the so-called glamour of this bloodsport.

TicTacToe12 -

For the love of god, read what the OP posted. She says she gives ten percent of her income to charities AND gives to animal charities. She does not say she gives 10% of her income to animal charities.

How can you keep posting that but keep failing to correct read it?

None so blind as those who won't see

klondike trying, and failing, to send you a PM (mobile issues)

YANBU. It will never get banned though, too much money to be made.

It's not just the grand national though, it's all racing, the excess of horses who don't make the grade due to either not being fast enough or end up injured is huge. Some are lucky enough to get rehomed, the rest? Well, where do you think they end up? Tescos

Tictac your banging your head against a brick wall I'm afraid. .

YANBU at all. Horse racing is awful. Having said that, I find it hypocritical when people (and I am not saying you are one of them) pick and chose what animal abuse they do and do not support. I have a hard time with someone saying how awful horse racing is whilst digging into their hamburger wearing makeup tested on animals.

If TicTac has been banging her head against a brick wall, that may explain her level of reading comprehension

I won!! my complex system of choosing the best name came good again.

Just over 200 quid

Haha!!! By whose standards?

I'm assuming this is actually a serious question?

In the U.K. animal abuse is covered under the Animal Welfare Act and is incredibly well legislated against in this country.

British racing amongst all recognised horse sport in this country have their own welfare regulations which are scrutinised by welfare organisations to ensure they are maintained.

The GN is part of recognised horse sport, if it were animal abuse, under the Animal Welfare Act, it would be illegal and legislated accordingly.

Therefore, the OP is categorically incorrect and is using emotive pieces to project, which I dislike.

😀

Oh and Google the percentage of racehorses that have stomach ulcers and sacroiliac issues due to their "kings" lifestyle. Those that survive long enough....it's a disgrace!!

PollytheDolly

Blocks? You haven't even watched the race - it's a running start?

As usual with objectors- you have absolutely no idea what you are on about.

I have six horses at home (hunters and eventers) and four in flat race training. It is nothing to do with fear at all.

I presume the loose horse heading the field earlier today was running in fear of the imaginary blocks and the imaginary whip?

Don't like it? Don't watch it. Don't bet on it.
Don't tell other people what to do.

Amockingjayhey that's a really ridiculous argument to make. OP never once told anyone what to do. She merely wanted to bring people's attention to the subject matter. I grew up in a family that loved horse racing and I only started to doubt it after reading a facebook post and watching a video about 5 years ago. For some people all it takes is gaining a little more awareness on a subject matter for them to start to think differently about it. Do you have the same attitude to adverts on TV supporting charities for animal abuse? "Don't like it don't watch it"? Bizarre.

Why should anyone have to prove what they give to charity?! She is trying to help horses, if you also care about horses then you can't berate her for that.

I don't see how the GN is beneficial to horses. Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why it's a good thing?

It's a thread aimed to tell people what they are doing is wrong .

Therefore directly or indirectly OP is telling people what she would want them to do.

And no i don't bet i don't like it and i think it's cruel.

But they're my views and i don't seek to impose them on others

I'm not sure why OP is being accused of ignorance and knowing nothing. The animal abuse that takes place in horse racing is well documented.

Why should anyone have to prove what they give to charity?!

Maybe because it is the difference between being an armchair activist and someone who actually does something positive for the causes they believe in?

It's easier to respect the protesters that turn out to monitor the hunts than those who moan about the hunts (and the perceived millionaires who take part in them) on the Groinaid comments sections.

(Sorry, I tried to do the italics thing but it did not work)

Frillyhorseyknickers - good post.

But whilst horse racing isn't legally animal abuse, but the law and ethics are two separate things. Animal abuse existed before the Animal Welfare Act set out specific offences.

Just because something isn't legally animal abuse, doesn't mean someone can't reasonably argue that it is animal abuse.

Doncha, her armchair activism might cause people to look into the sport more deeply and see the cruelty involved. I have learned a lot about animal cruelty by reading posts online and then looking into it further to confirm the truth. It does work, just not on everyone. Fair play to the OP in my opinion.

Unfortunately most trolls would also consider themselves as armchair activists too. When I read the OPs post, I did wonder if she was trolling.

Phases like this:

"that curious time of year when people who claim to like horses gather to exploit them, often hurting and killing them in the process"
"If you use this as entertainment, the blood of murdered horses is on your hands as well."
"bloodsport"

Can you see how this could look like deliberately emotive language gauged to get a negative reaction / attention / a fight?

Actions speak louder than words which is why people who "do" things for the causes they believe in get more respect.

I get that the language is emotive, I think it's because the poster is passionate about this issue. I can't stand people who just want to start arguments so I'm hoping I'm correct in that assumption!

I think posts like the OPs can make people stop and think about the industry they are buying into, and being informed is so important.

I do agree that posts about an issue can inform people.

There are ways and means of getting people onside and I think this thread is an example of how not to do that :) Telling people they have blood on their hands for watching a race and leaving out the truth about animal welfare reform is not going to bring most unconvinced people around to your way of thinking.

I will leave it there with these seemingly opposing arguments: (both centered around the welfare of the horse)

Since 2014 - there have been no fallen horses at the grand national because of animal welfare legislation brought in to protect the animals. Is there any more we can do?

Since 2000, 48 horses have died at the annual festival that the National is part of. Others have suffered horribly with broken backs, necks or legs, severed tendons, or heart attacks. This is the reality of British horse racing. If you use this as entertainment, the blood of murdered horses is on your hands as well."

Pollythedolly. I didn't bet on the race. I said I never bet on it. What I said wasn't rubbish. The op is trying to dictate how people conduct their lives and if they don't do as she says, they have the blood of murdered horses on their hands. That's pretty bullying where I stand. Perhaps you should read what people have previously said on the thread before assuming they have bet on the racing or think the racing is great. Just because I don't enjoy horse racing, it doesn't mean I should agree with what the op is saying. She also had some uncomplimentary words to say about horse back riding. I imagine you ride.