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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 16:11

Okay I'm posting in AIBU because I think I've lost perspective and may need a shock back into reality.

So, 3 years ago I met my DP. I get on really well with his parents and all of his friends so then I was introduced to his DB and SIL. First meeting with them and their children (15 and 9 at the time) all went well. Fab. I then went away to a hotel for a few days with them all over the Christmas period. All seemed absolutely fine at the time, we all seemed to have a good time. Only after that SIL started ignoring me. Not only that, but she'd make nasty comments about me to her friends who then posted sarcastic comments about me on fb (causing MIL to deactivate her account because she was upset about it), was actively rude to me when I saw her, even turned her back on me if it was just me and her. I asked my DP and my PIL repeatedly during this time what the problem was and nobody knew. After a YEAR of this, I then get a really awful text from SIL saying that when we were away in the hotel I had corrected her youngest child's manners at the dinner table and that I was rude and had treated her terribly. I immediately apologised (I don't remember doing so nor does anybody else at the table but I am prepared to accept I might have done) and we sorted things out.

Everything okay for a few months. We saw them 2/3 times, all fine. Last time I saw or had any contact with her was July. Suddenly in December she blocks me on fb and starts bitching about me again to everybody. Yet again, nobody has any idea of what I've done. However her mother had just died (to put this into context she had not seen or had anything to do with her mother for 35 years- her mum walked out on them when she was 4) so I thought she was probably grieving. I sent her some flowers and a card and left it at that.

On Christmas Day my DP proposed to me. BIL, SIL and family all in NYC for the Christmas period so my DP texted them to let them know. We had one text back, from his DN (who is now 18) saying 'that's brilliant, can I be a bridesmaid????' Nothing else from any of them.

We decided over the Xmas holiday that we were going to go away to get married and have a really small ceremony and honeymoon all in one. I'm a teacher so we're limited to school holidays. We have chosen to go to NYC in October half term and have a party when we got back. My parents/PIL and everyone else we spoke to thought it was a brilliant idea. DP rang his BIL and explained what we were doing and he seemed really pleased but said he didn't know if they could all go out as DN would be first term at uni. We said we understood that it would cost a lot (and they had just spent £15k on 16 days in NYC over the Xmas holidays!) but hoped that they would be able to join us for the party. A week later we got an email from BIL saying they wouldn't be coming out because he wouldn't split the family up and leave SIL and the kids (18 at uni and 13!) at home for 3 days because I hadn't asked DN to be a bridesmaid and that's all she'd ever wanted to do. We thought this was a bit odd, but accepted it, explained that I wasn't going to have any bridesmaids out there because it's such a small ceremony etc. BIL seemed fine.

Moving on, we booked NYC and a place for the reception in the U.K. I sent DN plus my two best friends invitations to be bridesmaids in the UK so they didn't miss out. DN took over a week to reply. Apparently SIL had been causing so many issues at home (ignoring DN and BIL, favouring youngest, yelling etc) that DN was too scared to reply and say she wanted to be involved. However, she did accept eventually and seem really keen. I found dresses they all liked and DN tried it on. I explained that I would like her to be involved in organising the hen do (an afternoon tea of 3 hours max, nothing major) and asked if I could give her number and email to my other bridesmaids so they could organise things together. DN really excited about this, had lots of ideas for the hen do. All good.

Fast forward a couple of weeks and everything has gone to shit. DN is refusing to answer any communication from either me or my bridesmaids. I had sent them all details of who I wanted to invite with contact details and what I wanted to do. I had to nag her to reply and confirm which date was good for her. Eventually she did. However, a week later she then sent a one line email to my bridesmaids saying she wasn't coming any more.

I sent her a text asking her why she wasn't coming and I thought she had wanted to be involved? If she couldn't come why did she choose that date as we could have easily chosen another one. It was important to me she was there as my bridesmaid etc. She ignored me but DP then got an email from BIL slagging me off, telling me DN was in the middle of mocks and it would be my fault if she got rubbish results because I had upset her. I sent an apology via DP (because nobody in their family ever actually speaks to the person they are upset with, drives me mad). DP then met up with BIL one evening to have a few drinks and sort a few things out. BIL seemed to be under the impression we had deliberately organised the entire wedding to spite them in some way. DP explained a good many things to him and they got on well. DP asked BIL to be his best man and BIL was chuffed and accepted.

DP then asked why SIL disliked me so much. BIL couldn't really give a straight answer but said the only thing he could think of was a comment I'd made in March which she wasn't impressed with. And which incidentally she wasn't even there for, it was PIL and DNiece and DNephew. It also had apparently taken her 9 months to decide she was cross about it??? She was also upset that I hadn't invited her to the hen do (she hadn't spoken to me for months?? Did she really expect to be?) and also that we hadn't consulted her on when or where we were getting married, that I hadn't given her the bridesmaids dresses or invitations to approve and even cross that my DP hadn't consulted them about proposing to me! DP kind of just said 'well that's a bit ridiculous isn't it? If she'd said something we could have sorted it out months ago'. BIL just said 'that's just SIL' and changed the subject.

They finished their night out and went back to BIL and SIL'a house. DP slept on sofa. He was woken by SIL screaming in his face at 2.30am because BIL was a bit merry (he's 43!) and how he'd deliberately taken him out to get drunk and he'd probably spiked his drink etc etc. DP was a bit stunned so didn't really say anything, she then went back upstairs and had a screaming row with BIL.

Next day he receives an email from BIL apologising for the night before and pulling out of being his best man because he had to 'put his family first'. He said he didn't feel he could do a positive speech about me and DP together so he'd rather not be involved. A day later, I get a vile text from DNiece pulling out of being my bridesmaid because of all the 'drama' I had made about her not being able to go to the hen do and she wasn't going to go to that so she wasn't going to be my bridesmaid. She put words into my mouth. Apparently I had said to her that she was 'clearly not up to the job' which I would never have said. I replied, explained that I had never said that, I just needed some communication with her at some point and it would have been polite of her to just send me a text saying she was too busy to organise it or explain why she couldn't come. I also said that SIL could come to the hen do if she wanted and that I would keep her bridesmaid slot open for her to change her mind at any point. No reply.

So, a week later I decide to email BIL myself because I know that DP really wants him to be at the wedding reception. I explained that DP really needed him there, we were only asking for 5 hours of his time. I understood it was me and SIL who were making it difficult and I was prepared to apologise and make things right if he could tell me what it was I was apologising for (!). I also reiterated what I had said to Dniece about her place still being open etc. No reply. I then sent SIL a massive box of chocolates with an apology. They were received yesterday and I got a completely raving text back about how I was splitting up the family, we were rushing all the arrangements for our wedding, there was no need for that we should have sat down with them and discussed time/date/place/bridesmaids with them and PIL (because apparently my parents don't really matter!). How dare I ask DNiece to help organise things, she's only 18 and just wanted to be DP's bridesmaid and wear a dress, I was completely unreasonable. How dare I send an email out with a list of people I wanted to invite to the hen do to her daughter, nobody does that it's really weird and I'm not right in the head. That I sent a really nasty text to her daughter and that was the last straw, I had alienated them all. She then finished up by saying they were a close family before I arrived and they now aren't because of my behaviour. She's washing her hands of the whole thing. And she thought I should know what I'm apologising for!

I was a bit stunned tbh. I replied saying that I had discussed with and asked DNiece if she was happy organising things, and she'd said yes. That all I was asking for was the occasional reply to a text and I didn't think that was too much to ask, but if she had told me that then I would have let her off the organising part. That they hadn't shown any interest in our engagement at all, they didn't even send us their congratulations or anything so I was confused as to why they felt we should run all our decisions about our wedding by them- did she do that for her wedding? And that I wasn't asking her to be my friend but I was just asking that she allowed BIL to be at his brothers wedding. She sent me back a 'crying with laughter' emoticon. That's it.

So, if you've got to the end of this, AIBU? Am I really the psychotic bridezilla that SIL is implying I am? MIL is siding with SIL and saying I have to be nice to her, she has always behaved that way and it's just her. But I feel bullied and upset. I have tried to apologise and she's just thrown it back in my face. But I don't want to be seen as the person who is splitting up my DP's family and MIL is implying that it's my fault with not going along with SIL's demands. DP is very much on my side btw, defends me to BIL, SIL and MIL. I just feel so sad that this may prevent a major part of his family being at his wedding.

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sobeyondthehills · 06/04/2017 16:55

I would be careful, with the wedding invites for BIL and DN, the last thing you want is for her to turn up and fuck your wedding right up.

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Collaborate · 06/04/2017 16:59

You've dodged a bullet there. Don't involve any of them. In either your hen do, the wedding or the party.

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Jaysis · 06/04/2017 16:59

reetgood, your Alice Advice should be mandatory reading for all toxic family situations. Spot on.

I've my own Alice. they have mellowed with age, but still has the potential to upend a family occasion on a whim if they want. I was nodding in agreement with all of your post.

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Italwaysworksitselfout · 06/04/2017 17:00

She's batshit and you need to stop communicating with her. If bil and dn want to carry on enabling her behaviour then that's their decision but you have done all you can. Your mil may be upset that bil won't be coming to your wedding but that's her problem as you have tried to sort it out. They know the truth of the matter and shame on them for not supporting you.
My bil and sil2b are getting married abroad next year (they live there) and my dh is bestman. She has not asked dd (15) to be a bridesmaid and that has caused a bit of tension with pil as she had asked 5 friends. They are taking it more to heart than us. I am in no way involved in any of the preparations but it's their choice, their day. I'm not so insecure that I'm going to lose the rag about it and see it as a holiday to look forward to.
Good luck op Flowers

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TooManyTrolls · 06/04/2017 17:03

She sounds awful but I think it would have been better if you had never responded or contacted her about anything. It's your DHs brother wife, he can deal with her. Sending flowers, apologies and asking what was wrong was never going to work. I've a similar SIL (who doesn't speak to any of her other SIL or, indeed her own sisters so I'm in good company). I just totally ignore her. 🤷🏼‍♀️ She is nothing to me. I'd always be polite but I'm not wasting any energy trying to change her.

I also think it was a bit optimistic to ask an 18 year old to be involved in the hen do. I'd have just sent her an invite and left it at that.

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brummiesue · 06/04/2017 17:04

For gods sake stop apologising and pandering to them! Ignore them all (including your DN) and concentrate on your wedding. Let your DP sort his own business out with his DB and leave well
alone!

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CauliflowerSqueeze · 06/04/2017 17:05

Agree with pp. she's appalling. You can't reason with her so stop trying.

Keep a nice distance. If MIL is sad well then just comiserate "yes we're sad too - SIL is welcome to come and we were keen for BIL to be best man, but it's just not meant to be apparently".

What you're thinking is that if you just angle an apology correctly or send a conciliatory text then it will all be fine. You're making huge efforts here to appease and tweak your behaviour to gain something reasonable from her. It won't happen. Keep repeating that, as you relax and detach. Relax and detach.

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Sweets101 · 06/04/2017 17:06

I'd ignore her from now on.
I wouldn't be sending any messages via DP.
If MIL says anything i would have to, kindly, say that whilst i understood everyone else wanted to be accepting of her behaviour it isn't OK and isn't something i can i play along with.

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Sweets101 · 06/04/2017 17:07

I wouldn't be able to say Sil was welcome at the wedding any more. I just couldn't.

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TesticlesInTheBlender · 06/04/2017 17:07

You really have to stop apologising when you haven't done anything wrong. Step away from it all and enjoy your wedding - these people will ruin it for you if you let them.

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ohtheholidays · 06/04/2017 17:07

Stop contacting them in any way what so ever and don't talk about them or to them.

If your DH 2B wants to try and sort things out with his Brother that's upto him,just stay out of it all because it doesn't matter what you say or do they'll turn it back round on you.

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VeryButchyRestingFace · 06/04/2017 17:08

They all sound batshit, although obv SiL is the instigator.

What I can't understand is why you kept texting and apologising when you must have realised this was only fueling the crazy.

With some people, the more you placate them, the more irrational and outrageous they become, because they see your attempts to appease them as an admission that they are totally right and you are totally wrong.

Radio silence is the only way to go here.

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AlternativeTentacle · 06/04/2017 17:09

She really does sound like a piece of work. Stop apologising and tell her to fuck off next time she starts her bollocks.

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MusicToMyEars800 · 06/04/2017 17:11

she sounds mental and controlling, I would stay well away she seems toxic! LET YOUR DH and DBIL to sort things between themselves, it sounds like she is the only one causing all the problems.

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pictish · 06/04/2017 17:12

Stop apologising to the harridan. She's disturbed. It's not your fault.

If the family choose to pander to her whims that is up them. You don't have to. I certainly wouldn't be controlled in this way by my husband's brother's wife. After all, who is she to you really?

No, she'd get the fuck off hand from me. Not my problem.

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MusicToMyEars800 · 06/04/2017 17:13

your soon to be DH that should've been and I don't know how those capital letter got in that post Confused Grin

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terrylene · 06/04/2017 17:13

If it is in any way practical, I would be telling the whole lot of them to FOTTFSOF and shutting the door on them.

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 17:14

Thanks all for the excellent advice, especiallt reetgood- the Alice thing sounds really good!

Toomanytrolls- I wasn't really asking DNiece to be involved in the hen do as such. It's just SIL would have been furious if I had not involved her (because I wouldn't have been treating her equally to the other bridesmaids ifyswim). All I actually asked her to do was agree to a time/date/place for the hen do and come along. Was that wrong?

Also, I wouldn't have apologised/responded to SIL if it hadn't been made clear to me that that was what was expected. I am just trying to keep their family together- I figured that by making my peace with SIL we could all still be in the same room for family gatherings etc. I am marrying into that family after all and they are (were!) very close and do several family meals a year. Us being NC would mean that either I go along and the atmosphere is awful and so ruins it for everyone, or I choose not to go and miss out on being part of the family and that would upset DP although he fully understands and supports my decision not to attend.

SIL has had a very difficult life so I try and be sympathetic to her situation. She got pregnant at 17 and so MIL basically forced her and BIL to get married- she had no control over her wedding and so I guess is trying to control ours.

Problem is I guess that my family has also been messed up by an equally batshit SIL and I can see how devastated my parents are to have lost contact with my DB. I desperately don't want to be the person causing the issue (and it is seen as me causing the issue) for another family. Even though DP has explained multiple times to both BIL and MIL that this is not the case and it is SIL screwing things up for us all.

Anyway, advice taken. I will not engage any further in any silliness. They are at least definitely not coming to our ceremony in NYC so I can look forward to and enjoy that without the craziness!!

Thanks to all who have taken the time to read incredibly long post and to reply!

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Cherrysoup · 06/04/2017 17:14

Oh boy, she's batshit! I reiterate other pp: stop bloody apologising for her being btshit and wanting to be involved in your wedding, which is none of her goddamn business.

Don't be a martyr to her bonkers behaviour. Get on and sort out the hen do and wedding and completely ignore her pathetic carry on. I'm amazed that an adult can behave in this way. You have been a saint dealing with her, but stop trying to placate her or she will rule your life. If her dh tells you that's just how she is, then say she'd better stop, because it's not fricking normal!

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innagazing · 06/04/2017 17:15

Sil is batshit.
Good that DP is supportive of you. Make sure he is going to always be on your side in the future too, and that he's never going to be upset if you decide to go NC with his whole family permanently if you decide that's the best thing to do at any stage.

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terrylene · 06/04/2017 17:17

It is not you splitting the family Confused

They can stay close if they wish. It is in their hands. Perhaps they don't wish?

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 17:17

For those of you asking why I kept on apologising, it was really so I could show and tell MIL that I had tried everything possible to make things up with SIL. Up until this point she told me I wasn't trying hard enough with her. I wanted to prove that I really had tried everything to sort things out and that I could do no more. I didn't want her to spend the next 20 years of married life telling me I hadn't tried hard enough to sort things out with her.

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Boooooom · 06/04/2017 17:21

Nutter!! Don't have any direct contact with Sil or DB, leave that to your DP. Enjoy your wedding!! X

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Hidingtonothing · 06/04/2017 17:23

I suspect pretty much every person in DP's family has learnt they can't reason with SIL and are struggling to 'manage' her behaviour for BIL's sake. She is clearly batshit crazy and it's become habit for them to excuse her behaviour in order to maintain any kind of relationship with BIL and DN's. MIL's comment that SIL 'is just like that' and you should 'just be nice to her' tells me that they have given up trying to reason with her or rationalise her behaviour and are just trying to appease her to 'keep the peace'.

You are probably where they were a number of years ago, still trying to rationalise the irrational and reason with someone who is completely unreasonable whereas they have realised there is no point where SIL is concerned.

So you have two choices, you either fall in with the rest of the family and start turning yourself inside out to keep SIL happy or you step back, avoid direct confrontation contact with her and leave DP to negotiate the minefield SIL has created in his family.

The latter is probably better for your mental health but you may have to accept some resentment from the rest of DP's family because you won't pander to SIL the way they do. I think I would take that rather than join everyone else in enabling SIL's childish temper tantrums but that decision is, of course, yours to make Flowers

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PrettyGoodLife · 06/04/2017 17:25

Waves of empathy to you! Sounds horrible, don't let them wrong foot you into thinking you have done anything wrong, SIL is damaged and has her own reasons for her behaviour.
Congratulations on your wedding, I hope you have the best day and don't give your SIl a second thought.

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