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AIBU? Family member (long!)

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 16:11

Okay I'm posting in AIBU because I think I've lost perspective and may need a shock back into reality.

So, 3 years ago I met my DP. I get on really well with his parents and all of his friends so then I was introduced to his DB and SIL. First meeting with them and their children (15 and 9 at the time) all went well. Fab. I then went away to a hotel for a few days with them all over the Christmas period. All seemed absolutely fine at the time, we all seemed to have a good time. Only after that SIL started ignoring me. Not only that, but she'd make nasty comments about me to her friends who then posted sarcastic comments about me on fb (causing MIL to deactivate her account because she was upset about it), was actively rude to me when I saw her, even turned her back on me if it was just me and her. I asked my DP and my PIL repeatedly during this time what the problem was and nobody knew. After a YEAR of this, I then get a really awful text from SIL saying that when we were away in the hotel I had corrected her youngest child's manners at the dinner table and that I was rude and had treated her terribly. I immediately apologised (I don't remember doing so nor does anybody else at the table but I am prepared to accept I might have done) and we sorted things out.

Everything okay for a few months. We saw them 2/3 times, all fine. Last time I saw or had any contact with her was July. Suddenly in December she blocks me on fb and starts bitching about me again to everybody. Yet again, nobody has any idea of what I've done. However her mother had just died (to put this into context she had not seen or had anything to do with her mother for 35 years- her mum walked out on them when she was 4) so I thought she was probably grieving. I sent her some flowers and a card and left it at that.

On Christmas Day my DP proposed to me. BIL, SIL and family all in NYC for the Christmas period so my DP texted them to let them know. We had one text back, from his DN (who is now 18) saying 'that's brilliant, can I be a bridesmaid????' Nothing else from any of them.

We decided over the Xmas holiday that we were going to go away to get married and have a really small ceremony and honeymoon all in one. I'm a teacher so we're limited to school holidays. We have chosen to go to NYC in October half term and have a party when we got back. My parents/PIL and everyone else we spoke to thought it was a brilliant idea. DP rang his BIL and explained what we were doing and he seemed really pleased but said he didn't know if they could all go out as DN would be first term at uni. We said we understood that it would cost a lot (and they had just spent £15k on 16 days in NYC over the Xmas holidays!) but hoped that they would be able to join us for the party. A week later we got an email from BIL saying they wouldn't be coming out because he wouldn't split the family up and leave SIL and the kids (18 at uni and 13!) at home for 3 days because I hadn't asked DN to be a bridesmaid and that's all she'd ever wanted to do. We thought this was a bit odd, but accepted it, explained that I wasn't going to have any bridesmaids out there because it's such a small ceremony etc. BIL seemed fine.

Moving on, we booked NYC and a place for the reception in the U.K. I sent DN plus my two best friends invitations to be bridesmaids in the UK so they didn't miss out. DN took over a week to reply. Apparently SIL had been causing so many issues at home (ignoring DN and BIL, favouring youngest, yelling etc) that DN was too scared to reply and say she wanted to be involved. However, she did accept eventually and seem really keen. I found dresses they all liked and DN tried it on. I explained that I would like her to be involved in organising the hen do (an afternoon tea of 3 hours max, nothing major) and asked if I could give her number and email to my other bridesmaids so they could organise things together. DN really excited about this, had lots of ideas for the hen do. All good.

Fast forward a couple of weeks and everything has gone to shit. DN is refusing to answer any communication from either me or my bridesmaids. I had sent them all details of who I wanted to invite with contact details and what I wanted to do. I had to nag her to reply and confirm which date was good for her. Eventually she did. However, a week later she then sent a one line email to my bridesmaids saying she wasn't coming any more.

I sent her a text asking her why she wasn't coming and I thought she had wanted to be involved? If she couldn't come why did she choose that date as we could have easily chosen another one. It was important to me she was there as my bridesmaid etc. She ignored me but DP then got an email from BIL slagging me off, telling me DN was in the middle of mocks and it would be my fault if she got rubbish results because I had upset her. I sent an apology via DP (because nobody in their family ever actually speaks to the person they are upset with, drives me mad). DP then met up with BIL one evening to have a few drinks and sort a few things out. BIL seemed to be under the impression we had deliberately organised the entire wedding to spite them in some way. DP explained a good many things to him and they got on well. DP asked BIL to be his best man and BIL was chuffed and accepted.

DP then asked why SIL disliked me so much. BIL couldn't really give a straight answer but said the only thing he could think of was a comment I'd made in March which she wasn't impressed with. And which incidentally she wasn't even there for, it was PIL and DNiece and DNephew. It also had apparently taken her 9 months to decide she was cross about it??? She was also upset that I hadn't invited her to the hen do (she hadn't spoken to me for months?? Did she really expect to be?) and also that we hadn't consulted her on when or where we were getting married, that I hadn't given her the bridesmaids dresses or invitations to approve and even cross that my DP hadn't consulted them about proposing to me! DP kind of just said 'well that's a bit ridiculous isn't it? If she'd said something we could have sorted it out months ago'. BIL just said 'that's just SIL' and changed the subject.

They finished their night out and went back to BIL and SIL'a house. DP slept on sofa. He was woken by SIL screaming in his face at 2.30am because BIL was a bit merry (he's 43!) and how he'd deliberately taken him out to get drunk and he'd probably spiked his drink etc etc. DP was a bit stunned so didn't really say anything, she then went back upstairs and had a screaming row with BIL.

Next day he receives an email from BIL apologising for the night before and pulling out of being his best man because he had to 'put his family first'. He said he didn't feel he could do a positive speech about me and DP together so he'd rather not be involved. A day later, I get a vile text from DNiece pulling out of being my bridesmaid because of all the 'drama' I had made about her not being able to go to the hen do and she wasn't going to go to that so she wasn't going to be my bridesmaid. She put words into my mouth. Apparently I had said to her that she was 'clearly not up to the job' which I would never have said. I replied, explained that I had never said that, I just needed some communication with her at some point and it would have been polite of her to just send me a text saying she was too busy to organise it or explain why she couldn't come. I also said that SIL could come to the hen do if she wanted and that I would keep her bridesmaid slot open for her to change her mind at any point. No reply.

So, a week later I decide to email BIL myself because I know that DP really wants him to be at the wedding reception. I explained that DP really needed him there, we were only asking for 5 hours of his time. I understood it was me and SIL who were making it difficult and I was prepared to apologise and make things right if he could tell me what it was I was apologising for (!). I also reiterated what I had said to Dniece about her place still being open etc. No reply. I then sent SIL a massive box of chocolates with an apology. They were received yesterday and I got a completely raving text back about how I was splitting up the family, we were rushing all the arrangements for our wedding, there was no need for that we should have sat down with them and discussed time/date/place/bridesmaids with them and PIL (because apparently my parents don't really matter!). How dare I ask DNiece to help organise things, she's only 18 and just wanted to be DP's bridesmaid and wear a dress, I was completely unreasonable. How dare I send an email out with a list of people I wanted to invite to the hen do to her daughter, nobody does that it's really weird and I'm not right in the head. That I sent a really nasty text to her daughter and that was the last straw, I had alienated them all. She then finished up by saying they were a close family before I arrived and they now aren't because of my behaviour. She's washing her hands of the whole thing. And she thought I should know what I'm apologising for!

I was a bit stunned tbh. I replied saying that I had discussed with and asked DNiece if she was happy organising things, and she'd said yes. That all I was asking for was the occasional reply to a text and I didn't think that was too much to ask, but if she had told me that then I would have let her off the organising part. That they hadn't shown any interest in our engagement at all, they didn't even send us their congratulations or anything so I was confused as to why they felt we should run all our decisions about our wedding by them- did she do that for her wedding? And that I wasn't asking her to be my friend but I was just asking that she allowed BIL to be at his brothers wedding. She sent me back a 'crying with laughter' emoticon. That's it.

So, if you've got to the end of this, AIBU? Am I really the psychotic bridezilla that SIL is implying I am? MIL is siding with SIL and saying I have to be nice to her, she has always behaved that way and it's just her. But I feel bullied and upset. I have tried to apologise and she's just thrown it back in my face. But I don't want to be seen as the person who is splitting up my DP's family and MIL is implying that it's my fault with not going along with SIL's demands. DP is very much on my side btw, defends me to BIL, SIL and MIL. I just feel so sad that this may prevent a major part of his family being at his wedding.

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 18:32

Janeofalltrades- if I knew it'd be easier to understand. I've met the woman fewer than 8 times in 3 years. On 6 of those occasions she has refused to talk to me or been rude to me. I understand that I might not be everybody's cup of tea and that we might just genuinely not get on, but she is the ONLY person I have ever met in my life (including my other SIL) who thinks I am so horrendous she can't even be civil to me.

To be fair she is treating me the same way as she treats everybody else. She frequently stops talking to MIL for months (although she is happy to continue using her as free childcare- this is always arranged with MIL through DNiece) for no reason at all, then after a few months texts her to meet up for coffee like nothing has happened. And she has an identical twin sister who she treats in the same way- it's actually a family joke now whether they are best friends or worst enemies at the time!

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/04/2017 18:36

@reetgood

Thank you that was the most amazing and insightful post. Everything in this post is spot on.

I concur that you must immediately stop apologising. This woman is absolutely crazy. Unless and until you stop apologising she won't leave you alone. You are fulfilling some need in her by making you look bad so she can look good. And she needs to look good all the time to feel better about herself. To be honest, I feel sorry for people like this, they must really hate themselves. It's really sad. Until you learn to distance yourself from this drama, she won't leave you alone. Be prepared for her to up the anti for some considerable time to come when you refuse to play her nasty games. Eventually she will leave you alone. And tell your mil you will no longer be complying with these ridiculous and preposterous orders meted out. If your mil doesn't like it, this is most unfortunate but will have no affect on your decision to step away.

I hope you have a lovely wedding and wish for you that it is sil and drama free.

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muffinbluffer · 06/04/2017 18:47

This is crazy making stuff...the worst part about it is it makes you start to doubt yourself which is of course part of the aim...but this is pretty classic crazy (if that's a thing!)....ultimately, having been around people like this all my life, you will never ever have a reasonable, rational relationship based on mutual respect and understanding with this woman and so it's basically down to completely putting your boundaries up whether this means going completely no contact or, if this feels uncomfortable for you, not engaging with her behaviour at all and not reacting to it.

As a poster said upthread, people like these rarely if ever have a revelatory moment where they see the error of their ways and try and make right all the pain they have caused.

The rest of the family are enabling this woman but don't let them make you the scapegoat as this will be a family pattern. The best you can do is look after yourself. I very much hope your H to be can see her behaviour for what it is and has your back in this. Enjoy your wedding Flowers

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/04/2017 18:47

I agree with Rescuepuppy. I would think very seriously before I leave an open invitation to bil and Dn. They have both treated you appallingly. I think it's a big conversation to have with your dh as they are enabling sils behaviour. It is very difficult as your Dn is young and will have had her mother treating her terribly all her life so she will not have an anchor and will have very skewed reasoning. It would perhaps be nice if one day she could come to you for help so you may wish to try again with her.

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Cary2012 · 06/04/2017 18:48

She has an identical twin? Dear God no, that's just cruel...

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AuntMabel · 06/04/2017 18:51

Why the fuck YOU apologised and sent chocolates to someone so outrageously rude is beyond me. Going by your OP, they should be apologising to you.

Block. Ignore. You don't need these drama llama' s in your life!

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honeylulu · 06/04/2017 18:51

OMG she sounds just like my late MIL (who did her best to ruin our wedding) right down to her deciding to be mortally offended by a chance remark from months ago!! She was such a notorious pain in the arse that all her family had given up standing up to her and I had to on my own.
I tried reasoning and compromise but to no avail - if anything it just seemed to get her revved up to a higher gear of cuntishness. I wish I hadn't bothered trying to pander to her and that is my advice to you too!!
Good luck OP and happy wedding!

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Booksandmags79 · 06/04/2017 18:57

I think it's fair to say you've done everything you can to be reasonable. Walk away from the situation with your head held high.
You may get pressure in future to smooth things over, but just point out you tried to many times before and it didn't work. Your feelings matter and your life is better without her in it.
You may make other people's lives more difficult, but that is their own fault for not putting their foot down with her.
Stop taking responsibility for everyone else's actions and opinions. You've gone over and beyond what would have been fair on your part, so don't be punished for something that's not your fault.
Enjoy your wedding and married life, it sounds like you've got a cracking fella who gets what being a team is all about.

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MrsDarkDestroyer · 06/04/2017 19:06

If it was me I'd tell SIL she's no longer welcome at the wedding. She sounds like a nutter.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/04/2017 19:32

She has an identical twin. . Poor twin.

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pluck · 06/04/2017 20:39

Your PILs sound nasty, too. They wanted her in the family so much they "forced" her to marry BIL at 17?? Now she's wrecking it for them, and they want you to fall in with that, pressuring you to apologise to her? Forget SIL - be wary of THEM!!

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 20:47

Okay, slight drip feeding here but SIL and BIL met and started dating when she was 14 and he was 21. I think PIL were so uncomfortable with the age gap (which let's face it, IS wrong, even 25 odd years ago) that when she got pregnant it was the best way to make the relationship 'valid' as it were. BIL would have been miles better off if he hadn't married her. The whole situation is messed up. I think maybe that's why MIL is so protective of SIL? Because she effectively forced them to marry?

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Freyanna · 06/04/2017 20:48

So glad to hear Dp is sticking up for you, as he should.

You've done your best, please give up now and just concentrate on your and Dp's happiness. Nothing will ever please you Sil.

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 20:48

Sorry, obviously not the age GAP which is the issue, more the age at which they started dating.

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ChrisYoungFuckingRocks · 06/04/2017 21:00

I feel for you, but I also feel very sorry for BIL and DN - they're probably terrified to stand up to SIL, and would do anything to keep the peace. What a way to live Confused.

She sounds like a total nutjob.

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Ilovewheelychairs · 06/04/2017 21:01

I know. I feel sorry for them too. Mainly why I try and keep the peace to be honest.

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ThoraGruntwhistle · 06/04/2017 21:04

I think I'd send one more message telling SIL: as far as you remember you've done nothing to cause any of this, all you've tried to do all along was make sure SILs family were included in your wedding, especially inviting two of them to be bridesmaid and best man. If she has decided none of them are allowed to be involved, so be it.
Then block the lot of them.

Your wedding will be a happier and more relaxed day without anyone's drama and histrionics disrupting it.

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Chloe84 · 06/04/2017 21:09

I didn't want her to spend the next 20 years of married life telling me I hadn't tried hard enough to sort things out with her.

But she'll just make you spend the next 20 years of married life telling you to apologise to SIL. You will always be expected to be the placator.

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altiara · 06/04/2017 21:40

Ignore the lot of them. Batshit crazy!
Your DP - sounds fab!

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chitofftheshovel · 06/04/2017 21:45

I also feel sorry for BIL and DN, it sounds like they are treading on eggshells around her.
I would just ignore her as much as you can, and as you've recognised don't apologise again!

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Rescuepuppydaft2 · 07/04/2017 04:25

Be very wary of BIL, DN and even MIL they are flying monkeys and no matter their motivation they are on the side of your SIL.
This link gives excellent examples of flying monkeys...

narcissistschild.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-flying-monkeys-in-your-life.html

It really is time for your fiance to stand up for you, if you allow these people the opportunity they will destroy your wedding day and do their utmost to destroy your relationship. For so long I sympathised with the flying monkeys in my situation, the truth was that they shared so many of the opinions of me that MIL had. Your BIL and DN are both adults and need to own their own behaviour!

You deserve to be treated with kindness and respect! You are obviously a very amiable and kind person, for you to swallow your pride and apologize on multiple occasions when you had done absolutely nothing wrong is more than testament to that! Do you intend to start a family with your fiance? If you do it is even more important to get out of this awful situation, before they either turn on your DC or try to turn your DC against you.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 07/04/2017 04:45

Much as I feel sorry for bil and Dn, I agree with Rescuepuppy. Unless and until they are prepared to take a stand against your sil, they will always side with her to placate her. It is very hard for them. Especially your Dn, who has been indoctrinated from birth to self sabotage and provide the self esteem her mother is lacking.

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PollytheDolly · 07/04/2017 06:19

What an awful woman. They all need to stop enabling her vindictive, controlling behaviour.

Just get on with your plans OP and don't apologise to her any more. You're fuelling the fire.

Have a lovely wedding Flowers

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PollytheDolly · 07/04/2017 06:24

Thanks for the link rescue. I shall watch out for flying monkeys myself!

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lelapaletute · 07/04/2017 06:29

Have to say sounds like your SIL has had a rotten life. Abandoned by her mum, taken advantage of as a teenager by a grown man (your BIL does not come across so much the helpless victim with this new informafion!!!), unplanned pregnancy, forced into a marriage she or he or both didn't want - i think I'd be a bit of a nutter too. The children if broken homes or damaging parents often see their partner's family as their 'second chance' to have a normal, loving family - but because you can't relive childhood or erase the past, it will never work out - the grown up damaged, unloved child needs the love they didn't have as a child, and no amount of love orvindulgence in later in life will fill that hole. Poor cow.

That being said: not your circus, not your monkeys. YOU didn't abandon her - that's her mother. YOU didn't abuse her with an inappropriate relationship - that's your BIL. Stop trying to paper over the cracks - you can't, the more you put in the more she has to test you, to make sure she really has control, that she really is safe now. You can't make your whole life part of her dysfunctional coping strategy. You do you, and don't contact her or her daughter again.

As for the rest of your DPs family - maaan, they're all a bit up in each others' business aren't they? I'm always a touch suspicious of ostentatiously 'really close' families - really codependent and dysfunctional is often nearer the mark. Red flags are there - PIL 'forcing' BIL and SIL to get married, MIL interfering in your row with SIL and trying to pressure you into acting against your own wishes w/regard to YOUR OWN WEDDING 'for the family', all this ridiculous he said/she said, arguments conducted by text and intermediaries and dramatic gestures rather than calmly discussed in person. And yeah, i fully judge BIL for 'dating' a 14 yr old when he was 21!! Something not right there too.

Perhaps your DP has emerged from this message miraculously normal. In which case you'd be doing him a favour helping him get some distance from his weird family. But to be on the safe side, is make sure you two have a very frank discussion about boundaries, proper ways to deal with disagreement or upset, and how you would want to parent in your own family, and make damn sure you're on the same (sane) page.

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