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To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?

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floraeasy · 31/03/2017 21:08

I name this baby... Superman. And another one... Gazza.

Oh, and let’s call this little mite... Gandalf.

And why not throw in Arsenal for good measure!

All the above are British children’s real first names – and they have all been given official blessing by our liberal authorities.

In Britain, all names, however ridiculous, are up for grabs. Hence celebrities can bestow their children with the likes of Apple, Harper Seven, Zowie and Fifi Trixibelle.

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The General Register Office says there are no restrictions on parents - except for exceptional cases, such as a name which could be deemed offensive, when an official could refuse to register it.

But such unusual names could blight a child’s future, according to Professor Helen Petrie, from the University of York, who has studied the psychological effects of having an unusual name.

“I found that people with unusual names had a really hard time, particularly when they were children,” she said.

They described getting teased and how traumatic it could be - because all children want to fit in. But when they became adults, they are often glad that they have something to help them stand out from the crowd.

“People with very common names sometimes feel that they aren’t unique enough. So I think there’s a happy medium to be struck.”

So isn’t it time we took a leaf out of baby naming books from other countries and make such monikers illegal?

Here are some of the worst offenders that have been officially banned in their own countries, but that any Tombola, Dickdastardly or Haribo could call their babies in Britain.

• Lucifer, V8, Christ and Messiah are among the baby names rejected by New Zealand’s department of internal affairs. Disappointed parents wishing to christen their offspring with numbers (89), letters (J, I, T) and punctuation marks (*) were also given short shrift.

• Fish and Chips (twins), Yeah Detroit, Keenan Got Lucy and Sex Fruit also got the kybosh, though the New Zealand judges did allow Number 16 Bus Shelter and Violence.

• But the top of the NZ banned list must surely be Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii.

• In Sweden, there is a law preventing parents from naming their children Metallica and Elvis. But in a parental fightback, a couple attempted to name their child Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116. Yes, it’s spelled correctly. We’ve double-checked! And apparently, it’s pronounced “Albin”, though we’re not sure how.

• In Italy, judges prevented a couple calling their kid Venerdi aka Friday. They reckoned the name - taken from Robinson Crusoe - would expose the boy to “mockery”.

• Over in Norway, a woman was thrown in jail for two days for giving her child the unapproved name Gesher aka Bridge.

• On the other side of the world, the Malaysian government banned the name Chow Tow. It sounds harmless enough, until you realise the translation is Smelly Head!

• But in China, a family wanted to keep their baby’s name short and sweet, by simply calling it @. Perfect for Twitter, we’d have thought.

• In Germany, the names Stompie, Woodstock and Grammophon have been turned down, whereas the similarly strange Speedy, Lafayette and Jazz were allowed.

• In New Zealand, a whopping 77 names have been banned. They include Lucifer, Mafia No Fear, 4Real, 2nd, 3rd or 5th and ‘.’ (or full stop!).

• But surely top of the pile (excuse the pun) of banned baby names is this from Denmark: Anus. Apparently, the judges thought the baby’s parents were trying to make an a**e of their offpring!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/08/banned-the-world-s-most-ridiculous-baby-names_n_7379492.html

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JustPoppingBy · 01/04/2017 08:04

Re the Aubrey name, there have been several versions of a song in the 60/70s that it was also a girls name.
I'm not sure if it's original meaning though.

To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?
IvyLeagueUnderTheSea · 01/04/2017 08:08

As a teacher I have seen a lot of uncommon names. However the other children in the class just see them as normal. They don't tend to tease because they are known them since nursery.

However, friend that I have had with unusual names (camera for example) have tended to change them not long after leave secondary school which is the first chance the really get to meet new people and find how the rest of the world views their name.

It would be lovely if everyone could have any word they fancied as a name and I do like some of the more unusual names. However, like it or not, society will judge.

KungFuPandaWorksOut16 · 01/04/2017 08:17

I hated my common name - was one of 6 in the same class.
Now that I'm older my "common" name doesn't bother me as much.
But back in my school days I wished too have a more unique name.

But I realise i could have been given a worse name! See pictures attached Grin

To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?
To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?
PussCatTheGoldfish · 01/04/2017 08:21

The name in the baby name book that was most eyebrow raising was Orabel.

Where I'm from a lot of 'H's are dropped so it is definitely not a name I'd use!

FriedEggs1 · 01/04/2017 08:25

April Fool's Day is today. You posted on the wrong day.

blackheartsgirl · 01/04/2017 08:31

One of Dd2 middle names is Mae after my great aunt. She's an Ellie Mae and it wasn't chosen because everyone else had it nearly 11 years ago. Both names are a nod to relatives. Her first name is short for Elinor. I can't see why I belong to a lower class to be honest. How snobby

Imstickingwiththisone · 01/04/2017 08:32

Lafayette is an old name. And Aubrey is both male and female like Hilary and Lesley. I think the current regs mean a registrar can already refuse to name a baby Anus? There's no need to make the rules stricter just because you personally haven't heard of certain names. Having an unusual name doesn't mean you'll definitely be bullied. I'm sure there are a lot of John's and Laura's who were bullied as children.

blackheartsgirl · 01/04/2017 08:36

I also had a very unusual name. It was very rare for people of my generation to have that name as it's very old fashioned and I was bullied like mad in school. Even as an adult people raise eyebrows at it. Most people including work know me by a shortened version now thank God

My 4dc has nice normal names Smile

lostatsea1 · 01/04/2017 08:40

Maybe we could just work on being nicer people and having a nicer society that did not discriminate against people because of their name.......just a thought!

thegreylady · 01/04/2017 08:53

My RC husband tells me of a baptism he attended where the baby girl was to be named Judith. The elderly priest was rather hard of hearing and recoiled saying,"Judas! You can't call the child Judas!"

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2017 09:09

There was a piece on the radio last week - Crossing Continents or suchlike - from an African country where the elders named the child. It began with a hapless lad whose name meant Punish Me. A few were cheerful but many others were similarly woeful. The children were only too pleased that they could change to - literally - Christian names.

Trills · 01/04/2017 09:13

The person who wrote that article has never used Twitter.

@ is not a perfect name for Twitter. It is a terrible name for Twitter. You can have @mostnames as your handle but you can't have @@

user1473069303 · 01/04/2017 09:18

I think childrens' names should be more strictly controlled. Silly names might be OK when they're little but what about when they're older and trying to find work? Their CVs will end up in the bin. Poor kids.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 01/04/2017 09:22

Maybe we could just work on being nicer people and having a nicer society that did not discriminate against people because of their name.......just a thought!

Completely this!

Instead of worrying that other kids will be bullied for having an unusual name, concentrate on teaching your own not to be bullies...

lifeissweet · 01/04/2017 09:38

I have taught children with a massive variety of unusual names - and I actually love it. It's amazing how quickly it becomes normal when you get to know the children - and their names just become part of them.

Things like: Denim, Lyrik, Je'dore, Versace...etc.

There was a whole family of 6 children who all had the same 3 letters at the beginning followed by an actual word.

Something like

Tresnow, Trerainbow, Trelondon

I'm currently teaching a child who has the same name as a liquor.

I like it. It's better than teaching 12 Olivers and 6 Lilys.

TheBadgersMadeMeDoIt · 01/04/2017 09:38

I still chuckle remembering a friend's story about a lad she went to school with. He was short, shy and nerdy. His name was Thor.

I like to think that he grew up to be an absolute belter.

Dumbo412 · 01/04/2017 09:38

I always liked the name Xanthippe. No way I could bestow it on an actual human though... there are some children with names that aren't compatible with many situations in life.
Think it shows a serious lack of parental capacity to call a child a name that will get them bullied/ will hinder them professionally. Sad for these children.

Enko · 01/04/2017 09:45

I haven't read the full thread. IN Denmark the law is that " you may not give your child a name that can cause hindrance in later life"

I think that is a good rule as it means you can look at each individual case. Names like Ella Stich would not be permitted but Ella Jensen would.

I found an article from 2013 here but it is in Danish

The following was the names not permitted the number after is the amount of times it was requested.

Justice: 62
King: 31
Princess: 28
Prince: 27
Royal: 25
Duke: 10
Major: 9
Bishop: 9
Majesty: 7
Lucifer: 6
Knight: 4
Lady: 3
Judge: 3
Royale: 2
Messiah: 2
Queen: 2
Sir: 2
Jr: 2
Justus: 2
Master: 2
Constable: 1
Queen Victoria: 1
Regal: 1
Emperor: 1
Christ: 1
Juztice: 1
3rd: 1
C J :1
Roman numerals III: 1
General: 1
Saint: 1
Lord: 1
. (punktum):1 (punktum is explaining the . they wanted to call their child " full stop" but just with the .
Eminence: 1
Mafia No Fear: 1
2nd: 1
Majesti: 1
Rogue: 1
4real: 1

  • (stjerne-symbol):1 5th:1 Sargent: 1 Honour: 1 Minister: 1 Chief: 1 Mr: 1 V8: 1 President: 1 MC: 1 Anal: 1 Baron: 1 H-Q: 1 Queen V: 1

Personally I think this is a sensible rule. If you disagree or want to use a name that is not permitted you can appeal the name and it goes before a panel. Some gets through at this point.

Enko · 01/04/2017 09:47

Interestingly looking at the forbidden names again I would personally not bat an eyelid at Major, Duke or Honour I have met people with those 3 names (Though Honour was spelled Honor)

ClaryBeanHorshAndMe · 01/04/2017 09:51

I actually really like Honor. :)

NightWanderer · 01/04/2017 09:54

I must admit I'm waiting to see what the models Lucky Blue Smith and Stormi Bree call their baby. I'm thinking something like Kevin.

ClaryBeanHorshAndMe · 01/04/2017 09:56

night

Or super "normal"? Charlotte, Anne, Victoria, Henry, Victor, George etc?

NightWanderer · 01/04/2017 10:00

I must admit they are my favourite celeb couple for their names alone.

I could never call my child Bree though as I'd always be thinking about cheese.

LaurieMarlow · 01/04/2017 10:02

Honour is a very long standing name in the U.K.

And actually, majesti is all kinds of awesome. Perhaps more suitable for a cat than a human.

I much prefer the UK way. Freedom (within sensible constraints) should be encouraged. Names morph and go in and out of fashion in interesting ways. At some point in the future, there'll be six Apples in every class and people won't believe we once raised eyebrows over it.

The other thing about names is that the working class have their own culture and preferences that the middle classes don't always 'get'. I know many working class people who think a lot of names beloved of the middle classes are hideous or a terrible thing to bestow on a child. It works both ways.

Voice0fReason · 01/04/2017 10:10

IN Denmark the law is that " you may not give your child a name that can cause hindrance in later life"
That seems incredibly sensible.
A small number of parents simply can't be trusted to think about their child rather than themselves when they name their child.