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to start a thread about trans panic because there have only been seventy six already

417 replies

GustyParson · 28/03/2017 17:22

Trans people want to steal your rights! And stroke your cat. They want to colonise your child's reading books, infiltrate your favourite prisons, appropriate the gold medals you would otherwise win for your peerless skills on the pummel horse, take the best seats on the Tube, demand that midwives talk exclusively about pregnant fathers, haunt your preferred changing rooms, run rampant through the Brownie Guides, go unchallenged in every echelon of the WI, burn all your favourite pronouns in an industrial furnace, benefit from all your oppression, demand your pet dog be addressed as Mx, frolic carelessly across the flower bed you've only just planted for God's sake, insist that there are more than two genders, require to be recognised as the gender 'combine harvester' one day and the gender 'quail' the next, piss on the toilet you wanted to reserve for your friends, and call you Cis which is like totally cruel because it sounds like sissy.

Alternatively, trans people are people, they are not trying to hurt you, most of you have never met one, none of you need to feel threatened by them, and there really isn't a need to start fifteen threads a week fretting that they're going to steal your last Bourbon Cream, appropriate or destroy feminism, or change your baby's name from Thomas to Pixie. Seriously, calm down.

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kua · 30/03/2017 20:40

Mousse The question is why do biological men need access to bio females spaces? Gender plays no part in this. These areas are separated by sex.Transmen are bio female and as such can use these areas . It really isn't that hard to understand.

Moussemoose · 30/03/2017 20:43

kua
"It really isn't that hard to understand"

I really would appreciate it if you read the thread before you started to patronise me.

'The question' - is your question not mine. I am discussing safety.

kua · 30/03/2017 20:56

Mousse If you had read the whole thread you would have seen that I have previously commented. Hmm

And yes, we are discussing safety. The rights of bio females to exclude males from their sex segregated areas.

Bambambini · 30/03/2017 20:58

Secure, single, private cubicles are fine but not currently doable given the current traditional loo set up. They would take time to bring in and be expensive and take up lots of room.

This is big in the US obviously - the US has a bigger issue again. Their public loos aren't very privare at all - actually quite exposed, i felt really uncomfortable using them and that was assuming it was only females around. The thought of men or males beingallowed in is really off putting.

Moussemoose · 30/03/2017 21:24

Kua yes biology was discussed, last mentioned on page 6 on my device, we are now on 11. As I mentioned I was involved in a discussion on safety not biology. Is that hard to understand?

Bambambini Yes - American public toilets are REALLY public! I consider myself comfortable with toilets etc iyswim but American public toilets were a shockShock

Individual cubicles are too expensive when they only make women safer, if it impacts on men the money might he found!

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 21:25

I am puzzled as to why you would imply I am supporting the aggressive trans activists. I am not.

Why are you assuming that was directed at you? I meant the argument of safety for transwomen.

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 21:26

Arrgh italics! I was quoting Mousse

Moussemoose · 30/03/2017 21:28

venusinscorpio
"Even the people disingenuously using safety as a pro trans argument"

Many apologies for thinking you were talking about me! Can I imply you do not think my arguments are disingenuous then?Wink

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 21:30

Kua yes biology was discussed, last mentioned on page 6 on my device, we are now on 11. As I mentioned I was involved in a discussion on safety not biology. Is that hard to understand?

This whole discussion is about biology. That's the point of it. The "trans panic" is about biology. Stop trying to derail the thread.

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 21:31

I'm giving you the benefit of a very large doubt currently.

Bambambini · 30/03/2017 21:37

"Yes - American public toilets are REALLY public! I consider myself comfortable with toilets etc iyswim but American public toilets were a shock"

When i read of folk in the US saying they totally support anyone who id's as a woman or non binary in women's loos - or they favour unisex loos (stall types) - i do wonder that they seem to have no issues with the gaps and the stall walls with big spaces at the floor and of a height where a tall man could possibly look over. I'd be doing a lot of leg crossing!

Moussemoose · 30/03/2017 21:41

venusinscorpio
"Stop trying to derail the thread"

Naaaaah that was me replying to a point. This is me trying to derail the thread. I was happily discussing safety - which I think is a big deal for woman, but apparently I need to be discussing penis'. Women need to stop talking about men and start trying to make public 'private' spaces safe - which they aren't at the moment.

Moussemoose · 30/03/2017 21:43

Bambambini

My 14 year old son refused to use public toilets in the US. I didn't want to share them with anyone! Perhaps we should count our blessings in the UK?

kua · 30/03/2017 21:45

Individual cubicles are too expensive when they only make women safer, if it impacts on men the money might he found!

You got it! As you have found, floor to ceiling cubicles in males loos are the quickest and the most financial viable option .

How do we get this across to planners?

egosumquisum1 · 30/03/2017 21:47

'Trans panic' is actually a legal defence that's been used in the USA to justify someone's actions when they've attacked and killed trans people after discovering someone was trans

www.washingtonblade.com/2016/09/12/legislation-proposed-ban-gay-trans-panic-defense/

In a 22-page legal brief it released on Sept. 8, the Williams Institute says this particular defense has been used in cases involving anti-LGBT violence since the 1960s as a means of justifying such violence on grounds that a perpetrator “panicked” upon learning that their victim was gay or transgender.

www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/29/california-becomes-first-state-ban-gay-trans-panic-defenses

The new law clearly outlines that a defendant's discomfort with, suprise at, or fear of a victim's sexual orientation or gender identity may not be used as a legal defense to justify the assault.

During the 2011 murder trial of teenager Brandon McInerney for the killing of classmate Larry King, McInerney's defense team cited King's supposed flirtation with McInerney as justification for the youth's death. As a result, a mistrial occurred, and McInerney struck a deal with prosecutors in which he would plead guilty to second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to 21 years in prison.

In 2002, defense lawyers in the murder of transgender woman Gwen Araujo offered up a "panic" defense, stating that their clients were initially unaware of the fact that Araujo was transgender. Araujo was beaten to death by a group of men. Two of these men were convicted of second-degree murder, and were sentenced to life in prison. Two others pleaded guilty to lesser charges

kua · 30/03/2017 21:57

The perpetrators of these offences were male,"trans panic" I'm unsure why you reference this here.

egosumquisum1 · 30/03/2017 22:00

I'm unsure why you reference this here

It's trans panic. That's what the actual definition is of 'trans panic'. The op (who seems to have vanished) referenced it.

kua · 30/03/2017 22:05

I would think that you and I would agree that the never to be seen again OP did not know the definition of the term and did not reference it correctly.

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 22:06

It's trans panic. That's what the actual definition is of 'trans panic'

It's also a snidey term used by liberal types to dismiss women's concerns.

WankingMonkey · 30/03/2017 22:12

Implying that a whole group of people have nefarious reasons for wanting something and wish to act in a potentially criminal way is offensive. You could argue that some transwomen would act like this, but you imply all trans women have the same agenda.

'transwomen' in ' kind of makes it clear I am not on about transsexual people but perverts, doesn't it? :S

Datun · 30/03/2017 23:18

Implying that a whole group of people have nefarious reasons for wanting something and wish to act in a potentially criminal way is offensive

Unfortunately it is the dodgy ones with a fetish that requires their presence in women's intimate spaces, who are pushing the agenda.

Floor to ceiling enclosed cubicles with a basin would work. But you'll never get that past the trans activist agenda. It's the last thing they want.

venusinscorpio · 30/03/2017 23:28

They'd say they felt "othered" by it. Like a past poster who once reported that some transwomen were annoyed that women started not changing in the changing room at the local swimming pool. They felt it was transphobia.

OlennasWimple · 31/03/2017 03:17

You do get used to the huge gaps in American public loo doors. Even DD, who is the most prudish 6yo ever, manages to use them now.

I still can't get used to catching inadvertent glimpses of women sitting on the toilet when using the mirrors over the basins. It would be incredibly easy for someone who got off on that sort of thing to take a little bit extra care applying their make-up, for example, leaning in closely and staring studiously at the mirror

Moussemoose · 31/03/2017 11:08

WankingMonkey

"transwomen' in ' kind of makes it clear I am not on about transsexual people but perverts, doesn't it?"

Your clarification doesn't help lessen the issue. You are saying all trans women are perverts. That's like saying all black men are sexual predators. Some trans women may be perverts but to say they all are is just plain wrong and offensive.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/03/2017 11:27

OP posts a goady thread which miraculously isn't removed (???) and does not return. Hmmmm. TobascoToastie also posts the same list they have posted on numerous threads before and which has been critiqued numerous times before and does not return to answer critiques. Hmmmmm.

Maybe transmediawatch got bored with just watching?

I always find it amazing how on almost all of these trans threads the gender critical and / or anti-TRA position wins the popular vote.

Also - I don't want unisex toilets until men learn to wee in the bowl and not on the seat or floor.