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"Are you on your period"

110 replies

nicetoseeyoutoseeyounice · 22/03/2017 22:05

If I snap or I'm angry about something my OH immediately assumes I'm on my period!! Why? Does my opinion not matter any other time of the month? Does anyone else's dp just assume they are on their monthly every time they are a bit arsey? Aibu to think this is a ridiculous assumption?

OP posts:
Scribblegirl · 23/03/2017 07:38

Alternatively, I get dreadful PMS. I've never eaten chocolate to deal with it in 15 years...

claraschu · 23/03/2017 07:38

I also never had PMS, and chocolate is the last thing I would want to eat if I am feeling a bit crampy and bloated...

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 23/03/2017 07:39

Nope, if I'm arsey or snappy DP asks what's bothering me or asks if I need some time to myself without him and the kids.

ptumbi · 23/03/2017 07:40

My DH makes a joke about it too. If he realises I'm on my period he says 'oh I thought I saw the ants coming in the house again' as though me being on draws them in. 😂

That's really really funny. Doesn't everyone think so? This poster's dp thinks she draws in the ants when she's on. And she thinks that's funny too. She is, of course, unclean when she's on. And smelly and repugnant. So funny! What a knob.

Naicehamshop · 23/03/2017 07:41

Completely agree with brew. So many stereotypes on here. Sad

And op - your dh is deliberately undermining you here.

SansComic · 23/03/2017 07:42

ptumbi

I thought it was bears we attract!

Naicehamshop · 23/03/2017 07:43

Exactly ptumbi.

Why, WHY do women put up with this shit? I despair.

claraschu · 23/03/2017 07:47

No-one has ever made a comment like this to me, and I would be furious if I heard it- very offensive for all the reasons everyone has already eloquently stated!

I feel that saying children are must be tired whenever they are grumpy is also annoying. My children always protested that they weren't tired, even when they were exhausted, and I realised that I was belittling the rage they felt. Whenever someone would say to me: "Oh, he must be tired!" I would often say: "No, he's perfectly capable of being grumpy when he's not tired."

I think that any time someone blames someone's emotions on a physical issue, it can be belittling. The PMS one is 10 times more offensive than any of the others, because it is so misogynistic.

Naicehamshop · 23/03/2017 07:49

Well said, clara.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/03/2017 08:13

I thought it was bears we attract!

blimey, I wouldn't want to be humped by a bear, a small dog was bad enough. Our previous dog could tell ... before that visit to the vets...

Scribblegirl · 23/03/2017 08:33

Oh, for the record, when I was 17 my middle aged, male driving instructor asked me if I was driving badly because I was on my period. This is also the man who told me to handle the gear stick 'like you'd handle a man' 😡

At 27 I'd roast him for that. At 17 I just felt embarrassed, ashamed and small.

I hope to god OP that your H doesn't make your daughter feel like that when she's a teen.

Wickedstepmum67 · 23/03/2017 10:09

Scribblegirl, I hope that particular driving instructor is no longer working in that job! He seems to have time travelled from the 1970s with attitudes like that - creepy and borderline abusive.

Megatherium · 23/03/2017 10:29

The trouble is, though, we do it to ourselves. How often do you see a thread on here where someone asks if they feel angry or sad because they're hormonal, or excuses shitty behaviour by saying that?

Knifegrinder · 23/03/2017 10:48

The trouble is, though, we do it to ourselves. How often do you see a thread on here where someone asks if they feel angry or sad because they're hormonal, or excuses shitty behaviour by saying that?

Indeed. This is the other thread I mentioned -- in which people got very hostile when I posted links to a number of studies which suggest that PMS is a social construction specific to western countries, as women in many other cultures don't report the same symptoms unless they immigrate to a society with a concept of PMS, when they start to:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2882078-how-over-emotional-are-you-in-and-around-your-period?

This is a blog post which covers the main arguments (and has links to some of the research):

To say that PMS is a social construction does not mean that women don’t experience it. It does not mean that “it’s all in your head.” It does not mean that your experience doesn’t exist, or is invalid in some way. Rather, the claim is that the explanatory framework surrounding this set of experiences is faulty, and that it would be more constructive to look for and attempt to address the true causes behind this phenomenon.

So, what does it mean to say that PMS is a social construction? A social construction is any contingent phenomenon that is created by a society. Social constructs exist only because the members of a society implicitly agree to behave as if they do. Generally speaking, there are conventions around social constructs that guide our behavior regarding them. The most common example used to illustrate this is paper money. Paper money would be worthless if it weren’t for our practices and conventions.

What evidence is there that PMS is a social construction? First, there’s a great deal of cultural mythology surrounding the concept of PMS that has no grounding in science. There is no identifiable hormonal cause for the symptoms of PMS. This is particularly significant when you consider how much research has been done. There is no consensus within the medical community on how to diagnose PMS, on which symptoms must be displayed, or on when in the menstrual cycle they should occur. Over 150 symptoms are attributed to PMS, many of which are experienced by men and post-menopausal women with the same frequency as menstruating women. In countries which don’t have a construct corresponding to the Western idea of PMS, women don’t report experiencing the symptoms in any pattern tied to menstruation.

Add to this the benefit a patriarchal culture derives from any mechanism which serves to marginalize women and explain away their behavior and cognition as merely the result of some bio-chemical event. When women voice legitimate complaints or concerns, it is common to suggest that they are “feeling hormonal.” This serves to delegitimize their claims and cast them as irrational, overemotional creatures. Further, PMS has historically been used as a mechanism to keep women out of the work force when jobs were scarce for men due to the Depression and the end of wars. Of course, in times when women were in demand in the workforce, research was used to demonstrate that PMS was not an issue and would not prevent women from being productive members of the workforce (for a fascinating history of this topic read Emily Martin, The woman in the body: A cultural analysis of reproduction ). In addition, the economic motives of the medical and pharmaceutical industries are solidly at play here. PMS and PMDD have been useful in allowing pharmaceutical companies to extend their patents and thus retain a monopoly on revenues. Although the underlying causes of the symptoms of PMS have not been identified, the pharmaceutical companies continue to offer remedies.

Finally, reports of PMS symptoms are far more severe in women who are in or have a history of abusive relationships , are experiencing high levels of stress, feel overwhelmed by their workload, or are unhappy with their lives in general. This correlation suggests that women who are unhappy with their lives subconsciously utilize the construct of PMS as a socially acceptable outlet for the suppressed frustration and rage they feel, since expression of these emotions is widely viewed as “unfeminine.”

All of these things suggest that PMS is a social construction. If PMS was a disease or a syndrome there would be some underlying bio-medical cause, as well as some consensus among women who are diagnosed as to what the symptoms are and when they are experienced in the menstrual cycle. But there isn’t. Retaining PMS as a medical and cultural fact does not benefit women. Researching PMS with an open mind regarding other possible causes and related phenomenon would benefit women far more than clinging to the notion that women are fundamentally flawed by the normal functions of their reproductive systems. Finally, simply prescribing antidepressants to help women deal with the hardships in their lives is one way to avoid addressing the more challenging and important issues regarding the societal causes of their depression and unhappiness.

feministing.com/2008/10/28/pms_is_a_social_construction/

reallyanotherone · 23/03/2017 11:04

Knife grinder- totally agree with all that.

Also behaviour of girls and "hormones" is used to validate different gender expectations of boys and girls. Girls are "bitchy" and moody because of their hormones, boys are rough and tumble because of testosterone, and testosterone "surges" are used to excuse phases of poor behaviour in boys.

Social construct and conformational bias.

ClopySow · 23/03/2017 11:07

My ex said it to me once. Actually he said "what the fuck is wrong with you fool? Are you on the jam rags or something?"

He is my ex.

BeMorePanda · 23/03/2017 11:11

He doesn't mean anything by it
He does though.
Stop excusing him - he is being a dickhead (at best)

BeMorePanda · 23/03/2017 11:14

I agree with knifegrinder.

My own personal theory is women/girls are so used to keeping things down/being kept in out "place", and we occasionally get liberated by PMS to call out fuckwittery and be less passive and more bolshy, more real, more in touch with ourselves and our feelings. If anything I think of it as a "superpower" :)

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Coverup890 · 23/03/2017 13:56

I get very angry and unhappy (suicidal thoughts and mad rages) just before mine but seeing as ive just been put on anti depressants maybe your onto something. I am very quiet the rest of the month.

venusinscorpio · 23/03/2017 14:09

This is the other thread I mentioned -- in which people got very hostile when I posted links to a number of studies which suggest that PMS is a social construction specific to western countries, as women in many other cultures don't report the same symptoms unless they immigrate to a society with a concept of PMS, when they start to:

People actually gave you reasons why your studies and speculation may be flawed. But well done you for being patronising and contemptuous about other women's actual lived experience.

Knifegrinder · 23/03/2017 14:25

Venus, I think we've been over all that. They're not 'my' studies and speculations, and I've not dismissed anyone's lived experience, only linked to summaries of positions that query the interpretations our culture makes of that experience.

scottishdiem · 23/03/2017 14:39

OP - If opinions are presented the same way during the entirety of the month and your views are ignored or dismissed at any point then he is being an arse. If you present your points of view differently during your period then I am not sure the overall point is invalid.

Example from my household - a job loss affecting a house move was discussed at length and in great detail with lots of calm discussion. Much much later, a pair of glasses (first time that has ever been done), moved from the table to a worktop in the kitchen was the cause of great distress and tears and shouting demands for that never to be done again. The disproportionate response was during her period.

No woman should ever been denied her opinion, shouted down, or ignored. Everyone, however, deserves to be treated with respect at all times.

scottishdiem · 23/03/2017 14:40

Although I do like BeMorePanda theory.

venusinscorpio · 23/03/2017 18:28

Knife, the way you worded it was clearly dismissive. You got a hostile reception because you are implying women don't know their own minds or understand their own bodies.

Naicehamshop · 23/03/2017 18:34

knife - very interesting post. Thanks for posting that.

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