shooting outside parliament

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Breaking on the Huff and Beeb

'No need for the perpetrator to have been killed'

I disagree most strongly with that statement.

Emerald he was a terrorist!! He deserved to die!! What the hell is wrong with you? He would have carried on killing if he wasn't shot

I'm not sure anyone 'deserves' to die.

But there is a difference between an attackers, and those acting in self defence.

And emerald is displaying ignorance of the geography of the HofP. PC Palmer was stationed in the Yard, where no pedestrians were killed by vehicles. Indeed, as far as I can tell from accounts, the only people,e injured there were police and the person who make an unprovoked and fatal attack upon them.

Hardly state murder Emerald. The guy was attacking a police officer and presumably trying to gain access to parliament. The prime minister was less than 40 yards away. Of course they had to shoot him and it is standard protocol to shoot to kill so as not to give time for detonation of any bomb or suicide vest, although it doesn't look as though that was followed this time. The policeman who shot him is a hero not a murderer.

I think we all, including the police, would prefer that the attacker were still alive to face justice.

Your claim that the slain officer was doing a poor job is as false as it is scandalous. His job was not to protect pedestrians outside, it was to guard parliament which he did admirably.

I have tried to avoid posting on these threads. Very grateful for getting home safely last night without the need to join discussions on MN. But emerald - can you really not see how sickening your comment is? Would you say that to the face of the family of the killed police officer? I so wish people would engage their brains before spouting off online. These kind of incidents always bring out the best and the worst in people. This is why I normally bloody avoid MN after shit like this happens. I wish I had remembered that.

emerald I assume the poster meant his job was to keep people safe from the cars going through the gates to HOP (where he was) not on Westminster bridge where the car accessed the pavement. I don't know whether the other poster is correct in the job description or not but PC Palmer was in no way to blame for the pedestrians being run over given his area of responsibility was HOP.

But besides from all of that you have to be a particular disgusting individual to criticise a man who was murdered yesterday. Don't you think his family, colleagues, his wife and children are going through enough hell already without having goady knobs like you question his ability to do his job....A job he died for ffs. Putting his life on the line, unarmed, to protect other people and he gets criticism from some fucking coward on the internet, someone who probably doing a job that s no where near as brave. So not only see your facts incorrect as you've misunderstood the poster in question, you are a thoroughly disgusting, callous person. You should be ashamed.

Emerald: They shoot to incapacitate- that means aiming at the largest mass (centre of body.)

The officer who shot him will have had one thought - to stop him from stabbing anyone else (and also to possibly stop the stabbing in progress, I have no idea if he shot when the assailant was in the process of attacking.)
In those circumstances you have no other choice, you cannot shoot to 'wound a bit' you shoot to stop someone, not to kill. This isnt Hollywood - a bullet stops you.
The assailant is dead. Yes it would be optimal to have him on trial, but if you run with a knife into parliament you're going to get shot. British armed police are not trigger happy- they are highly trained, sparing in their action and they have to account for every single shot. This is not state sponsor murder - it's frontline policing staff putting their lives on the line daily to serve and protect YOU, the public.

Sincere condolences to the affected. Our police, intelligence and medical services do a sterling job. Let's hope no further casualties.

emerald is just an ignorant troll. Ignore it

Actually, having read your posts again I retract my statement that you're callous. It's clear instead you are just thick and ignorant. You clearly have no understanding of what actually happened in terms of the geography and clearly have no grasp of protocol or the reasons why decisions are made. Thank fuck you're not running the country, that's all I can say.

Emerald

Met your type before though thankfully not too many times.

Your type are outraged at police activities until youneed protection then you piss your little pants and demand compensation if you are inconvenienced or attacked.

Do grow up dear.

Just seen it shared by a ex-officer friend on FB.

But what the hell! He ran unarmed to stop the attacker who had a knife. I don't get how anyone can slag him off. I wouldn't have the fucking guts to do that and I doubt many people would.

He and others have proved despite all the horror and evil that there is still good, brave people about.

WTF Emerald?

Yes, the terrorist was someone else's son but he set out to kill and maim innocent people. If he hadn't then he would be still alive.

Really, your comments are ignorant and offensive and utterly uncalled for.

BBC saying that there was a raid on a flat in Birmingham and that the car was hired from Birmingham.

Emerald, It's likely that the man shot dead was also someone's son, brother or husband

Yes; the prisons (and thankfully he won't be in one) are full of people's sons and daughters. However, having relatives does not mean you have a 'get out of jail free' card. He was a terrorist, he killed a police officer and other people and he had to be stopped. The police stopped him by the most appropriate means.

Car hired from Solihull. Flat raided in the Hagley Road. That's a main road into Brum.

emerald what a revolting person you are. Disgusting remark about the policeman who died and seemingly an apologiist for terrorists. So he shouldn't have been shot/? What should they have done? Given him a stern talking to t and tell him to stop it. You're a naiive idiot

emerald I have read your comment several times and I can only conclude you are joking.

If you walk into parliament, with a knife and stab someone you will be shot. And killed.

This is entirely right and necessary. Stop for one minute and think of the reality of the situation yesterday.

Brave, brave people.

I feel you may choke on your own liberal spouting.

Oh, and whilst we're talking naiive, are there still some of you spouting off that it may not be Islamic terrorism? Religion of peace, yeah?

A trivial aside, DS asked me if the flag will be at half mast at Buckingham Palace. Tradition dictates that it won't be, but I hope that it is.

Why would the flag be at half mast?

themighty

You might want to read what Brendon Cox has just said on the BBC.

oh good lord I went to bed sorry.

It's the traffic coming in and out of parliament they deal with nothing to do with the bridge. What an awful thought.

I don't believe in the death penalty but I do believe in the right to use appropriate force to save lives, I'm sure all involved would rather the perpetrator lived to be questioned but the priority has to be to stop anyone else being injured.

Some awful comments on here.

Emerald Everyone is somebody's son or daughter. Hitler had parents, so did Saddam Hussain. How is that relevant? Are you seriously saying that there is no difference between someone who sets out to maim and kill innocent people including schoolchildren and a Police officer who shoots that person to stop them killing anyone else?

Don't feed it.