We should stand up for women by bringing down UK Punting...

[bringdownUKP]

Over the course of a couple of threads recently my attention has been brought to the site UK Punting.

Basically where 'punters' go to rate working girl's and (the married ones) laugh about their wives and swap tips on how to avoid detection.

Apparently the poor little lambs can't help themselves.

Take a look for yourselves: www. ukpunting. com

AIBU that those of us who are genuinely pissed off with the misogynistic bullshit half of the users spout on there should set up fake profiles (not using your usual email address) and spam the shit of them?

And this isn't against WGs....you can do what you like with your body. It's the disgusting human beings that are cheating on their wives and partners and being smug thinking it's a bloody game...

What's the point of stating some ridiculous war with a website like that?

It's sleazy and grim and depressing for sure, but that website isn't the problem.

The problem is the exploitation of the young women being used by the men on this site. Some will have been trafficked and many others will have multiple problems with drugs and alcohol.

And it is exploitation. If these women were paid a fair rate for the risk they take to their physical and mental health, none of these men could afford it.

I've not read the whole thread but I've been knocking around internet forums long enough to know that inter forum "wars" are never pretty and resolve nothing.

If we go over there and cause chaos do you really think they will stop contemplatively and say "You know what they're right" or do you think they will come here and start posting shit probably on threads with the most vulnerable OPs.

No matter how justified and how wrong you may think that site is the collateral damage is not worth it.

I find the reviews on that site offer an interesting insight into how these men think.

I noticed on quite a few reviews they actually believed the WGs could fancy them. Things like 'LOTS of FK, she was clearly into me'... or 'it was obvious she didn't fancy me so it went downhill from there'.

There seems to be a belief that they're buying more than just the sex, they think affection comes with it and that the WG wouldn't be doing what she's doing if she wasn't attracted to them. This is the opposite of what the men then explain it as. It's quite sad really.

I think when WGs say they genuinely enjoy the job it maybe means the actual job, not that they're enjoying every sexual encounter they have.

Also, it is a crime to pay for sexual services in this country.

Also, it is a crime to pay for sexual services in this country.

You don't know any of them have. You know they have told other strangers on an internet forum that they say they have.

Weather true or not, the legality of the forum (I haven't even looked at screenshots) doesn't seem to have been questioned.

I hate shit like this because all you have done OP is brought us more to their attention. Yesterday a poster in a sad situation had her thread being discussed on UKP as you know. She wanted advice and support and it turned into a thread discussing the men over there and what they were writing about us.

Poor OP huh? How do you think it made her feel to see her problem laughed at like that? I will not be surprised if we get some trolling from them and it will be posters who need the support who will get the brunt of that.

Also, how the hell do you think we could shut them down? Lets say we could, then what? They start up elsewhere, are you doing to just continue to follow them around trying to shut them down? Do you think MN is so powerful that we could even do that? Will it stop people using 'WG'? Having these low opinions of women? No. Best they stay in their corner of the internet.

People are who they are, and men with those kind of opinions are never going to change because MN not angry. It's shit that people like this exist but stop winding yourself up more by reading it.

You really haven't thought this through have you?

If you care about women don't do anything that can bring them over here.

Also, it is a crime to pay for sexual services in this country.

No, it's not. Thank fuck.

You're poking a hornets nest and all you're doing is sending traffic.

Posting about baking will be about as effective as it was on Greenham Common when we all joined hands and sung "We Shall Overcome". Spoiler: we didn't.

If want to infiltrate a website, you need to create a profile, keep it on the downlow while it ages, and then ingratiate yourself slowly.

With effect from 1 April 2010, section 53A of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, as inserted by section 14 of the Policing and Crime Act 2009, creates a new offence of paying for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.

Section 53A provides:

1. A person (A) commits an offence if:

a. A makes or promises payment for the sexual services of a prostitute (B);
b. A third person (C) has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual offences for which A has made or promised payment; and
c. C engaged in that conduct for or in the expectation of gain for C or another person (apart from A or B).

Of course it is a crime.

That doesn't make paying for sexual services a crime. If it did, you would only need the first of those three clauses.

If A and B agree to it without the involvement of C or anyone else, then from what you have quoted it isn't a crime.

The 'subject to force' need not relate to another person. It could include all sorts of 'force' including hardship.

How many of you actually believe any of the sad fucks on that site have ever even had sex, let alone found someone desperate enough to marry them??

I do Kitkat and I assume most of the outraged posters here do too. If they that it was all some weird fantasy then they wouldn't have bothered commenting on it.

ff they thought it was all some...

To me it reads as if all three of those criteria need to be satisfied for an offence to have been committed. Are you interpreting it differently?

SlickSlock
Paying for sex is not a crime. But paying for sex with a trafficked, coerced prostitute is. Keeb crawling is, and pimping is too.

Paying an independent prostitute who is in this business off her own will is not a crime

If we go over there and cause chaos do you really think they will stop contemplatively and say "You know what they're right" or do you think they will come here and start posting shit probably on threads with the most vulnerable OPs.

They have already started flocking over here. On the old thread there was user779 who's typing style was identical to the VirtualWaster person on the website. Eventually a couple of us rumbled him and he admitted it. Looks as if he has been banned or restricted now though when I read the thread again yesterday his responses had been deleted and rightly so after I reported them.

There was another member who openly admitted to being a member of the punting website and explained his situation which I personally appreciated. Just because you don't like a site or their posts anger you does not mean you can bring the site down. Just ignore it. I assume most men do not even know about websites like that.

How many of you actually believe any of the sad fucks on that site have ever even had sex, let alone found someone desperate enough to marry them??

I see no reason to disbelieve they've had sex

No idea about their marital status'.

punter member; I am very sexist and proud! :hi:
I mean guys..are you really taking seriously mumsnet? :lol:
A website run for desperate housewifes, depressed mums, wannabe feminist? Come on. We are the punters! :diablo:

If that is the case about this site is their site run for desperate middle aged women hating men who are depressed after being neglected by their wives?
Or are generalisations only allowed against the females???

I feel sorry for the OP of last nights thread, she needed support and it must be very hurtful and upsetting for her to read what the men over there were saying about her and the names they were calling her.

They were also very angry at the sex worker who gave OP advice to help find the truth.

On bloke from there signed up to make sure we all knew he wasn't a sleazy creep and used prostitue with his wife's blessing as she's frightened of sex and it's unfair we said all men who use prostitue a are creeps etc, because he's not like that, and some sex workers agree to let him ejacualte into their mouths for free so that proves how nice he is.

Funny how he signed up to quickly tell us off for our judging them, but hadn't ever called his peers on that site for their judging and calling names of women over there.

I'm not suprised by the comments on there as I feel that men who respect women don't want purchased consent, and in buying consent no matter how nice they are time, married or single, they are avoiding obtaining freely given consent.

In the cases where men say they buy consent for a casual hook up because it's easier and quicker, a nice man would spend a bit of time to find a freely consenting partner because he'd care enough. In buying consent he's showing that he doesn't think finding a woman who genuinely wants the sex act he wants and freely consents isn't worth the effort to him.

Men who view obtaining freely given consent as an inconvenience and purchase it instead don't sound very nice to me and it's not suprising they show their shitty attitudes towards women when anonymous.

I also don't think all these men are basement dwellers, or ugly old men etc, I think most of them are just regular everyday men, men like our husbands, our fathers, our sons, our brothers. Men we live with and love who speak their true views when there's no consequences. I do it myself because it reduces the chances that I have to consider a man in my life may be just like them if that makes sense?

They sure as fuck aren't like my husband and it will snow on the hills of hell before any son of mine thinks like that! My husband (who I'm beginning to think might be the last decent man alive) is repulsed by the thought of paying a girl the same age as his daughter to jizz in her face. It's fucking depressing how little so many mnetters expect from men.

Elbows I always think that about my DH - that I have found the last decent man!! He has some choice words to describe these men who have given themselves over to evil. He holds them in utter and absolute contempt. I remember my DH said once that he knew when he was younger that he could never use or exploit a woman for any reason. He simply couldn't and wouldn't. These things on that site...they are nothing.

I see them as having dark souls, and have given themselves over to evil and there is probably no way back for them. Ah well.....one day the devil will use them for his playthings!

I think I may have worded my post badly.

I guess what I should have said is that many of the men who purchase consent are husbands, dads, sons, brothers from all walks of life and not fat ugly old married men.

I don't have a low opinion or expectations of men, I do have a low opinion of men who buy consent. My husband holds the same views, he doesn't use porn and thinks men who buy consent are grim. That the married ones who also have sex with their wives and partners show a further disregard for women and consent because they know there's very little chance their partner or wife would be consenting to sex with him if they knew what they were really like.

What I was trying to say is that the men who buy consent seem successful in hiding their true views of women from their wives, mothers, daughters and sisters, and that they often say they had no idea they had those views about women, plenty of threads on here show that highly educated women who've they've been with for decades in some cases had no idea and would have said in the past said the men in their life wouldn't behave like that.

The men can pretend they don't show their true self to women in their day to day life because they don't want to hurt anyone, they don't show their true selves because they know they'd be on their own.

I genuinely didn't mean that I think husbands, sons etc of MNers on this thread are behaving like that, I'm sorry if I gave that impression, I've probably still worded myself wrong

It's just another online echo chamber, MN can be like that too and FB increasingly. Online, people tend to seek out other like minded people, and the more time you spend somewhere it can seem like everyone thinks like us.

(Back in the day, when 'twas nowt but fields, I remember seeking out email discussion 'lists' where you'd sign up and next time your emails downloaded because I was only allowed online off-peak and weekends you'd have hundreds from strangers arguing with each other, maybe nothing has changed!)

If;
Men who pay for sex are dirty perverted scum..who don't respect women and can't get sex without paying.

Then;

Women who freely without force (the vast majority of sex workers) sell themselves for sex are sluts who don't respect themselves and can't get money through working normally.

Or; A woman has the right to choose to offer sex in exchange for cash, a man has the right to choose to pay for whatever is being offered. Neither are morally reprehensible, neither are disgusting, both are just two adults agreeing to something that brings a mutual benefit to both.

Well said Wando1986. The self-appointed Puritan lobby should mind their own