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To feed the vegan child cheese

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cheesyinkent · 17/03/2017 20:00

NC for this to not out myself. DS 8 has a friend coming round for tea next week. The mother has stressed very heavily that he is vegan, can't touch any dairy or meat as it will make him very unwell. However ds says his favourite food is normal cheese and cheesy pizza. Apparently he has it all the time when away from his DM.

Who do I follow? I've looked in asda and could only find one vegan cheese, it didn't look like the pizza kind - more a spreadable cream cheese thing.

OP posts:
TaraCarter · 18/03/2017 00:07

Hey, can we lay off Colditz please? She was polite and respectful in her phrasing and I don't see why she should have to justify having that view.

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:07

Personally I feel more sorry for kids whose diet is chips, sausage and beans!

Yes, and I'm not even vegan...

Morphene · 18/03/2017 00:08

fuck me OP, you have allergies in your house and you are still being a dick about feeding a child who you have been told will be unwell if they eat meat or dairy?

How would you feel if someone feed coconut to whoever it is in your family that can't tolerate it, on the basis that it was probably bullshit and they might like it after all?

AwaywiththePixies27 · 18/03/2017 00:11

Also. Tescos do some surprisingly cheap vegan vegetable fingers. you'll find them in the freezer section. My DCs would inhale the box given half the chance.

OP if one of your children has an allergy to coconut then surely you understand that this boy might genuinely be like my boy? Lactose intolerant. Maybe his Mum thought saying vegan would make it clear yo you rather than feeling off a long list of cant's and can't haves re dairy. You'll be surprised what milk is found in! The list is ridiculous.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 18/03/2017 00:12

to and reeling not feeling. Sorry.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 18/03/2017 00:15

*brasty. I understand what you're saying but my DS isn't veggie or vegan. He's still Lactose Intolerant.

The vegan stuff we get when out is like a chocolate bar or a snack for example. The veggie fingers we get because everyone loves them.

brasty · 18/03/2017 00:19

Yes that is totally different obviously.
I just don't agree with making a child lactose intolerant because of the diet they are fed.

OneSecondAfter · 18/03/2017 00:20

People make hundreds of decisions about what their young children can and can't do every day. But if that decision involves not eating meat and/or dairy, suddenly you're a monster Hmm

teenagetantrums · 18/03/2017 00:20

I accidently once gave a muslim child a ham sandwich. Never told his mother. Meant to hive him the turkey one but mixed up plates. That was 10 years,ago and l still feel a bit guilty. Wouldn't do it on purpose. I thi k at 8 you should follow the mums wishes. Do a cheese less pizza

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:23

I just don't agree with making a child lactose intolerant because of the diet they are fed.

Is there a study supporting this?

brasty · 18/03/2017 00:28

I don't know about studies, but plenty of people who have never had lactose growing up, say that eating it causes cramps. Read the thread, people have said that on this thread.

OneSecondAfter · 18/03/2017 00:30

brasty

Some 60% of people worldwide are lactose intolerant. So some people telling you they are lactose intolerant is hardly surprising.

Hughpughbarneymagrew · 18/03/2017 00:31

1horatio

"Primary lactase deficiency is the most common cause of lactose intolerance worldwide. This type of lactase deficiency is caused by an inherited genetic fault that runs in families.

Primary lactase deficiency develops when your lactase production decreases as your diet becomes less reliant on milk and dairy products."

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/lactose-intolerance/Pages/Causes.aspx

So you have to be genetically predisposed to it for cutting dairy to induce intolerance.

No clinical source but it's the NHS so one assumes its trustworthy.

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:33

So you have to be genetically predisposed to it for cutting dairy to induce intolerance.

Right, so veganism doesn't seem to actually make anybody intolerant.

TaraCarter · 18/03/2017 00:34

Further, has any study differentiated between short-term, temporary intolerance in response to a significant change in diet, and a permanent inability to produce lactase?

Japanese people have high frequency for dairy intolerance. Are we going to tell the Japanese that they have to increase their consumption of milk and give it to their children, just on the offchance some of their children can be saved from lactose intolerance? Or are we going to accept that as a culture, they don't drink milk?

brasty · 18/03/2017 00:34

Yes because people live in countries where drinking milk is rare, and so genetically they develop not to be able to deal with lactose. That is why in some countries there is nearly 100% of the population is lactose intolerant.

TwentyCups · 18/03/2017 00:38

Frankly so what if it does make a child lactose intolerant? You don't need lactose to be healthy, and ethically dairy is atrocious. Being lactose intolerant doesn't make you unhealthy - most of Asia is dairy free. The vast majority of Asian children are not fed dairy and can go on to be lactose intolerant. Do we think those Asian parents are being unfair? Cruel? No, because we accept that their diet doesn't contain dairy, they eat other things and it's fine. Same with vegans.

Italiangreyhound · 18/03/2017 00:39

I love dairy and all milk products, I may well go and get some cheese from the fridge now! But as mammals, isn't it odd to continue to eat milk products after one is weaned?

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:40

Yes because people live in countries where drinking milk is rare, and so genetically they develop not to be able to deal with lactose. That is why in some countries there is nearly 100% of the population is lactose intolerant.

It seems like being lacose intolerant isn't an issue in this case.

MommaGee · 18/03/2017 00:42

Sorry, have commitrd the sin of reaching fiery and last page.

But a bullock of vegan cheese, let kind mane pizza.

Sorted

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:44

Sorry, have commitrd the sin of reaching fiery and last page.

But a bullock of vegan cheese, let kind mane pizza.

Sorted

huh?

MommaGee · 18/03/2017 00:54

1horatio apparently I didn't spell check and can't use my new phone. I am sober.

Sorry, have commitEd the sin of reaDing fiRST and last page.

BuY a block of vegan cheese, let kiDS maKe pizza.

Sorted

LetBartletBeBartlet · 18/03/2017 00:55

Lactose intolerance predisposition is genetic and harks back to the early agricultural revolution.

It's mainly in Europe that we consumed milk as a foodstuff and developed the ability to digest lactose.

Fuck all to do with veganism.

Lots of study coming out of the University of Cambridge on this circa 2012/13.

1horatio · 18/03/2017 00:58

momma

Ah:"reaDing fiRST"

I understood the rest. But that part? Nope.