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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

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Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

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fairweathercyclist · 13/03/2017 15:38

I don't know about the areas you mentioned. However, in my local area, you can't get a GP appointment, you can't be seen in A+E in under four hours, the schools are all ridiculously oversubscribed and my friends children (in their early twenties) can't get low paid jobs. Why? What has changed in the last ten years? More countries joining the EU, isn't there a correlation

The high birth rate might also have something to do with it. Yet god help anyone who suggests that people could think about having fewer children.

fairweathercyclist · 13/03/2017 15:40

I think we'll emigrate back into an EU country in a few years

For those of us with British passports only hat might not be so easy unless you have a particular skill that cannot be obtained from anywhere else in the EU. Unlikely I'd say.

I suspect my only way out would be to go and live in an independent Scotland - and that assumes they'd have me.

Applebite · 13/03/2017 15:41

LouKout - I think there are plenty of reasons for it. Disenfranchisement, a fuck-you to London, immigrants being blamed for things that are the fault of a succession of governments, the press banging on about things like imperial weights and straight bananas, Johnson, farage, the famous £350m a week claim...

Unfortunately there are not really any good or accurate reasons!

DixieNormas · 13/03/2017 15:41

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shovetheholly · 13/03/2017 15:41

talking - yes, and the corporate media don't want it either. Not in their owners interests at all, is it? Which is all the more reason for us to thump some drums for it!

Ta1kinPeace · 13/03/2017 15:42

fairweather
The high birth rate might also have something to do with it. Yet god help anyone who suggests that people could think about having fewer children.
What high birth rate ?
The birth rate in the UK has been at below replacement for decades.
The only reason our population is growing is because old people are living longer.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2015

fairweathercyclist · 13/03/2017 15:42

There is very little appetite for anything other than a punishing deal here

That's nice. They've already forgotten nearly half of us voted to Remain, then. Maybe I should have voted to leave after all.

olliegarchy99 · 13/03/2017 15:44

folly
My 76 year old mum who has lived here on and off for 28 years does not have the right to stay in this country. She has never worked (so didn't steal anyone's job), has never claimed taxes and has through my father been a net contributor. But, never mind eh?
So she never worked but used the NHS, education, roads and other services. How has she paid tax and NI if she has not claimed anything. Did she not get child benefit?
She would be receiving a pension - or have you forgotten that make a point point. How is she a net contributor through her husband? Hmm
Get a grip she will not be kicked out !

fairweathercyclist · 13/03/2017 15:44

What high birth rate

I was under the impression that we had one of the highest birth rates in the EU.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 13/03/2017 15:47

Ta1ing actually the government HAS already increase taxes.
Because Brexit is going to cost a hell of a lot money, starting by all the public servants needed to deal with Brexit.
Brexit is going to be long, complicated process, apart from any negociations with the EU, and that requires people and therfore money.
What we will see is either an increase of taxes or a decrease of public services (such as the NHS, education etc etc)

FarAwayHills · 13/03/2017 15:47

Worried and scared but hoping that the Leavers are right and Brexit will bring Britain back to the good old days of fluffy bunnies and unicorns.

Jellybean81 · 13/03/2017 15:47

Despair. Standards of living are already declining, dropping out with no deal will make everything more expensive and reduce choice. When the brexit voters realise everything isn't unicorns and rainbows I dread to think who the right wing press will choose to 'other'.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 13/03/2017 15:48

The high birth rate is thanks to immigration.
'NAtive' British have a low natality, which is bad for the country too.

Ta1kinPeace · 13/03/2017 15:49

fairweather
I was under the impression that we had one of the highest birth rates in the EU.
The UK is 4th highest (behind France, Sweden and Ireland)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union.
But the only continent on earth with a birth rate above replacement (2.1 children per woman) is Africa.
Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Australasia - all declining birth rates
and Africa's rate is falling fast - it will drop below replacement within 15 years.

HeeHighls · 13/03/2017 15:52

"HateSummer

Its the beginning of the end. I predict war within the next 10-15 years. Maybe sooner."

I was speaking to a WW2 historian last week and he predicted the same. WW3 with Germany.

FourToTheFloor · 13/03/2017 15:53

It seems a bit wtf that Scotland could have a second referendum but the UK can't.

I'm wishing we'd transferred our savings to euros or dollars before the pound took a hit. We will probably move later this year if I don't get my promotion, I will see it as a sign to move on

I think it's not going to be fun to be here for a good few years. If your roots are here probably OK, but ours aren't and I think I'm ready for the jump.

Rainmaker1 · 13/03/2017 15:54

Very happy indeed!

londonrach · 13/03/2017 15:54

At last. Fed up of this dragging on. It was voted for, get on with it.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 13/03/2017 15:55

Get a grip she will not be kicked out !

Sorry, but neither you nor anyone else can predict the future.

As the partner of an EU national who has been here for 20 years, and who's now applying for British citizenship as a result of the vote, I can say that the fear and uncertainty is very real. Telling someone in our position to 'get a grip' just betrays your ignorance IMO.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 13/03/2017 15:57

The absolute weakness of the Leavers' repeated: 'get on with it', 'get a grip', 'we voted out now deal with it' is both pathetic and chilling.

Orangebird69 · 13/03/2017 15:59

Four - the situation for Scotland has changes since their Yes or No referendum. So there's other things to consider. Nothing has changed for the UK since the Brexit vote. So why should there be any referendum for that? Calling for another referendum just because you don't like the result, regardless of how you voted, is absolutely no good for democracy. I like living in a democratic society and don't ever want a mockery made of it. Surely you do too?

Orangebird69 · 13/03/2017 16:01

Shout, so that means, in that case, the woeful remainers predictions aren't worth consideration either then?

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 13/03/2017 16:04

But democracy has always meant MPs get elected and then represent their constituents - not, get elected and then ask the general public what they think about stuff and then have to do it.

And things have changed here too: presumably not all Leave voters were voting to leave the single market? Or for an unelected leader to take us forward into the hardest of Brexits, prohibiting elected MPs from having any say in the process at all?

Presumably some Leave voters must have the wit to see now how this is all working out, and how disastrous it's going to be, even if they didn't think of it back in June?

SusannahL · 13/03/2017 16:04

How do I feel ? Absolutely delighted. It's about time. It's what we voted for last June.
Once out we can hopefully secure our borders.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in other European countries' forthcoming elections.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 13/03/2017 16:05

It's all worth consideration. That's exactly the point I'm making.

I really hope I'm wrong and Brexit will be good for the UK. But seeing as a lot of the 'woeful predictions' are now, erm, the news - it's not looking great.