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To ask how you feel about Article 50 being triggered tomorrow

755 replies

Ehsamy · 13/03/2017 11:37

or at some point this month?

And I know there is a EU board tucked away somewhere but I'm interested in everyone's views.

OP posts:
SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 13/03/2017 16:05

BUILD. THE. WALL. eh?

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 16:05

"folly
My 76 year old mum who has lived here on and off for 28 years does not have the right to stay in this country. She has never worked (so didn't steal anyone's job), has never claimed taxes and has through my father been a net contributor. But, never mind eh?
So she never worked but used the NHS, education, roads and other services. How has she paid tax and NI if she has not claimed anything. Did she not get child benefit?
She would be receiving a pension - or have you forgotten that make a point point. How is she a net contributor through her husband? hmm
Get a grip she will not be kicked out !"

Wow, just wow. Intelligence and empathy oozing from your post Olli

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 16:07

If the referendum had been conducted properly we possibly wouldn't be as (well many of us) terrified of the future under Brexit.

For example,

-if the referendum had stated the pros and cons of staying or leaving

  • gave a road map of things to do/happen
-timetable

Ah you get the drift. It was a referendum under false pretences just for Cameron to keep the Tory grandees/rebels happy. What a plonker Rodney!

Anyway, sadly we are where we are now and it's all being done with indecent haste IMV. No one has a clue, no one. Disastrous if there is no clear plan. A child would put in more planning for their playdates.

ShoutOutToMyEx · 13/03/2017 16:07

As a rule, though, I think it's always sensible to prepare for the worst case scenario.

Hence why we're scrambling to make sure we all have the same passport ASAP.

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 16:07

"I was speaking to a WW2 historian last week and he predicted the same. WW3 with Germany."

What reasons did he give?

FourToTheFloor · 13/03/2017 16:10

Orange what has changed for Scotland? They don't like the result of Brexit. That's it really isn't it?

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 13/03/2017 16:10

the beginning of the end. I predict war within the next 10-15 years. Maybe sooner.

I was speaking to a WW2 historian last week and he predicted the same. WW3 with Germany.

Epic levels of hyperbole here!!

Theworldisfullofidiots · 13/03/2017 16:11

Within 10 years I suspect we will be asking to rejoin

Greenteeth · 13/03/2017 16:12

"WW3 with Germany" What does this even mean? How can it be a ww with just one country? I agree with "epic levels of hyperbole" Pan.

FourToTheFloor · 13/03/2017 16:15

What I find sad and I haven't voiced this in public but the few people I know who voted leave are the ones in my circle of aquaintences who can least afford the high cost to everyday living that will come with Brexit. I think they honestly do think they will be better off and the NHS will be saved.

follygirl · 13/03/2017 16:16

olliegarchy99

Get a grip!

How charming!

My father worked for a British company while he was alive. She was a stay at home mum. He earned a fair amount of money. We all went to private school. Didn't really use the NHS much as we had private medical insurance. Didn't claim child benefit either. I think his salary more than paid for any 'benefit's they might have received from using police, etc.

Get a grip!

A European who has been married to her British husband for 30 years and who is his carer has been told to 'pack up her bags' by the Home Office because she doesn't qualify for the right to stay here.

It's people like you olliegarchy99, that almost make me want to move despite the fact I've lived here since I was 6 and certainly sound more English than most English people.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 16:17

@theworld,

The EU will never allow us back in!

And as for Scotland leaving the Union, I wonder what their EU status will be IF they vote for Independence. It's not all clear cut either. Maybe they will have to negotiate new membership of EU under Independent Scotland. Although if the EU has any brains they would seamlessly allow them to remain. NI is in a similar position. Very dark and dangerous things could happen there between ROI and NI and new hard borders and so on. Scary. But again, no one has a clue what will happen. Mad.

Such a fekkin mess this all is for no good reason that I can figure out anyway.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/03/2017 16:18

Why would Germany want to go to war with us Confused

I am hoping once A50 had been triggered more will be done by the opposition to gain some influence

I doubt it though

ShoutOutToMyEx · 13/03/2017 16:19

What I find sad and I haven't voiced this in public but the few people I know who voted leave are the ones in my circle of aquaintences who can least afford the high cost to everyday living that will come with Brexit. I think they honestly do think they will be better off and the NHS will be saved.

Completely agree, I've thought the same myself

housewifebynamenotnature · 13/03/2017 16:19

''Britain seemed stuck on the fringe of the EU and our path to greater assimilation wasn’t clear. There is no plan for creating a Europe with the same taxes and minimum wage, so the movement of people adversely affects those countries with better conditions. The EU is monolithic and so hard to understand. Where is it going? It failed to make itself clear, simple and accountable. It just rumbles on.
The EU has had a negative impact on the countries that surround it, with the Ukraine feeling part of another sphere of influence and migrants from Africa dying in the Mediterranean due to failures of planning. I was pro-EU, feeling that Europeans had a better standard of living than us, but became disillusioned as it expanded to include countries like Romania. I can’t see how being in a union with failed states benefits us.''

Vinorosso74 · 13/03/2017 16:20

I'm pissed off as there's no going back. At least if a party are in power it's only for that term so they can be voted out but this no that's it.

Blinkingblimey · 13/03/2017 16:28

Horrified that this country, Great Britain, of which I was so proud is destined to become little England; That the economy, re-built on the financial services industry after we ourselves were bailed out Greek style by the IMF those (not so many) years ago, will be hit leaving a gaping hole in tax revenue; worried for my children and how many doors that were open for their future will now shut and fearful for those who have no idea what is to come or the resources to cushion themselves.

Orangebird69 · 13/03/2017 16:29

So Blinking, you must fear for everyone then, ad no one knows what is to come...

Elendon · 13/03/2017 16:30

I'm so looking forward to several years time to the Bremoaners going on about why haven't we left yet and why are there still people who do not speak or look exactly like them still in the country. I shall be well gone by then

So funny. It will take at least a decade to leave the EU. Perhaps Gove will be PM by then.

Elendon · 13/03/2017 16:34

What I find sad and I haven't voiced this in public but the few people I know who voted leave are the ones in my circle of aquaintences who can least afford the high cost to everyday living that will come with Brexit. I think they honestly do think they will be better off and the NHS will be saved.

Yes, that's very sad. But in political circles the majority really doesn't give a damn.

Badders123 · 13/03/2017 16:37

I've noticed that too
A work colleague of mine voted leave. She is only just keeping her head above water now...unskilled, over 50, has 3 jobs.
She has been very unhappy/depressed since the ref - I think it's sinking in tbh.

EffinElle · 13/03/2017 16:41

Hell in a hand cart springs to my mind......

Egoanono · 13/03/2017 16:43

Utterly despondent and sad. I am still in denial. I'm angry that Cameron held the referendum with no broader terms in the first place. There should have had to be a much bigger majority to make such fundamental changes to our constitution.

I'm all for democracy but when voters are sold a lie, this shouldn't be allowed to stand.

This is the worst thing that's happened to our country's in my lifetime.

CrowyMcCrowFace · 13/03/2017 16:48

I'm very glad dc & I emigrated to the ME in 2015.

Heartbroken for the sad, silly little country we left; my friends & family are here. Watching the SHTF is not what I wanted.

Changing my retirement plans. I was looking at buying property in the UK next year, but now I'll be buying over here instead.

Dc looking at university options in India & US.

My aged parents will be ok as comfortably off.

No, no loyalty to the UK - I don't recognise or like my country of birth now. Happy to have taken my skills elsewhere, earn a lovely expat salary & encourage my dc to look beyond returning to the UK, & worried for those who don't have that option.

fulloffunreally · 13/03/2017 16:48

Just a bit over 7 hours to go now. Unless the amendments cause an issue. Then it will be end March.

It is just all so irreversible and really frightening. Sorry for the melodrama but that's how I feel for the next generation, our kids, and indeed ourselves.

Staggering into the unknown. Theresa May and Thatcher. The two women Tories, one of whom wrecked the country, and the other who is about to.