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New school threatening EWO referral.

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Givemeallthechocolate · 04/03/2017 19:05

Sorry that this will be long, but ive been worrying since yesterday when DD came home from school.
It was a letter referring to DDs very low attendance at school, it says she will be monitored for three weeks and if no improvement is made then they will make a referral to EWO officer.

This is a fairly new school, and DD has had a lot of time off, but every single absence she has had has been completely unavoidable, that being said it has been a really unfortunate year,

The first four weeks of the school year DD went back to school and was constantly sent home for having tummy troubles. She complained of Diahorrea or pain and they would call me and send her home, which completely butchered any chances of having good attendance.
It got to the point where I had arranged with the school that I would go in and give painkillers, but she just couldnt keep coming home. I was constantly getting called from appointments to dispense painkillers, then sometimes go and collect her. it turned out to be friendship problems (i did take her to the drs several times about this)

Then there are the recurrent throat infections. she has had 9 throat infections in the past year. which has meant time off for appointments. its not always possible to get appointments after school, I dont tend to keep her off unless her condition is considered to be quite bad, IE fever/ not having slept because of her throat/ not eating.

then off the top of my head ive kept her off twice because of vomiting.

Then we moved in December, she attended her old school until the day they broke up for christmas. After the school holidays it took me a week to get the form for her to change school, proof of address and get her enrolled into a school. The form arrived at our house, the next day we viewed schools, the next day she started this current school.

Since starting this school she had a really bad throat infection which she had a few days off with, I got Dd ready for school and they refused her in because she had taken painkillers, they told me that she could come back once she no longer required painkillers. which was a further 3 days, so a week.

the 2 absences for sickness.

2 Drs appointments- both of which she had been given antibiotics to take.

1 funeral, which I took her out for half of an afternoon for.

Ive done all I can to ensure DD attends school. I send her in armed with antibiotics. I dont take her to Drs unnecessarily. Ive communicated with the school, and I think the fact that i made her available at a time that they thought she was too unwell shows this.

But ive now received this letter. It made me feel very much like they view it as im just not bothered to wake up and get DD to school, which is not the case.
If Dd is home from school we try to go onto learning websites and I try to ensure she reads more than she usually does. She tends to make her way through a book each week, like david walliams, Roald dahl, or wimpy kid.

How do I deal with this? I feel like ive been judged as a bad mum.

Ive written a letter explaining that I understand the implications of low attendance on both education and social paramaters, but these missed attendances have all been within the remit of their sickness procedures, Ive kept in contact with the school at all times, and I have even made DD available to return to school at times they deemed too soon.

Then to explain that the reason for many of DDs days off is that she has recurrent throat infections, which has required no less than 9 sets of antibiotics within the past 12 months, and if they would really like to support us in ensuring DD attends school more regularly that they might like to write a letter to GP/ ENT to explain the effect on DDs education and that the sooner they can get her tonsils out the better. Preferably before the start of the new school year.

Then to also say that whilst it wouldnt help to ensure that attendance goes up, but would ensure less educational struggles, if they could signpost me to where I can figure out what is best for me and DD to try and work through on the days that she is off.

Ive possibly taken this far too personally, and I may be too het up about this, but I really am quite offended. Ive sent them letters explaining exactly why DD hasnt been at school. they know that there are some medical issues. They give her antibiotics. so its not like im taking DD out of school for no reason.

Its just scary, and upsetting.

I dont know how to handle this. I just feel like theres an insinuation that I dont care about her education, when I really, really do.

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user789653241 · 05/03/2017 08:42

"Don't cancel the holiday, sounds like you all need it!"

Please don't listen to this advice. I know you are stressed and need holiday, but if you take term time holiday after you had involvement with EWO in the same year, I am certain it will make things worse.

Harsh comments are maybe from parents like me. Who try really hard for dc to not get ill. For parents like me, it is so much hard work everyday so the dc doesn't get ill.

I agree if you can, try to book appointments during/biggening of holiday.
I know one girl had trouble with taking out her tonsils, ended up 2 week off.

EWO will be good support. Holiday in term time isn't.

RaspberryOverloadsOnChilli · 05/03/2017 08:59

You jnow your child best but I'd say with pain killers and some antibiotics shed he fine to be back in school.

Maisypops The OP has tried sending her DD in with painkillers, etc, but it's the school then sending her home.

OP said they sent DD home when I tried to bring her in not two weeks ago. I had medication with us. They asked if she had painkillers that morning. I said yes. They told me she had to go home. I didn't want to take bet home because I'm concerned about her attendance. Receptionist double checked. She was to go home and not come back until painkillers were not required anymore.

So the school isn't really helping here.

worlybear · 05/03/2017 09:01

Just wanted to add my sympathies to you.
Attendance is always an inflammatory issue and I am not surprised that you feel upset at the school's attitude.
I had a similar situation when my daughter was in year 8- school demanded that I provide doctor's appointment cards etc. Like you I made appointments by telephone.
At the end of the day you are the parent and your daughter's health is more important than the school's attendance record.
I really hate the way schools have evolved and as a former teacher (retired now) if my daughter was still in primary I would either home educate or move abroad where teaching is about the children and not satisfying the Ofsted regime.
As other posters have said keep any evidence of paperwork/appointments. Also keep a record of the dates your daughter was refused admission to school because she had had medicine.
As to the holiday don't cancel it -if you can, change the dates to later in the year. If not to be honest I'd still go!

user789653241 · 05/03/2017 09:05

I really don't get why the school send children home for taking painkillers. Painkillers with codeine? Still really doesn't make sense, unless school is really unhelpful.

Italiangreyhound · 05/03/2017 09:08

Irvine "much hard work everyday so the dc doesn't get ill." How are you stopping your child get ill and why do you assume the OP or other parents have the same skills? Do you all parents can stop their kids getting ill and are just not doing so?

Why would othes' child not being off school mean they felt the need to be harsh to the OP?

user789653241 · 05/03/2017 09:11

Even if you made the appointment over the phone, all the records will be there on their system. You may need to pay to get a paper copy though.

Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 09:15

Maisypops- the school won't allow DD in if she requires painkillers that day. But i will make an appointment to discuss this issue anyway, and see if these rules can be bent in any way to accommodate DD having had pain relief.

In our case there is a difference between tonsillitis and a bad case of it. DD has had tonsillitis twice in a 4 ish week period. First time required just time off for Drs appt. she was good going in with just painkillers. Second time she was really quite unwell. Tearful, complaining of earache, up in the night. Struggling to sleep, wasn't interested in her food (which is a biggie for her) and she looked shattered. I kept her off for 2 days. I took her in on the Wednesday thinking painkillers before she goes in and then when I pick her up. They were having none of it.
If a child requires painkillers before school they aren't in a fit state to learn. I balked at the idea. It doesn't change their policies.

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Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 09:19

Irvine, I'd like to know what you to do keep your children from getting ill. It's something I'm obviously doing wrong.

The apple cider vinegar each day, multivitamins, garlic in every single evening meal plus ensuring she does eat as much fruit and veg as possible. Even diets which have restricted sugars and dairy (different diets, different times) had very little effect on whether she got throats infections or not.

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Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 09:24

Worlybear- I think they take copies of the antibiotics she always comes into school with after an appointment. I hope that acts as proof, wouldn't be able to get them without having seen the dr!

It seems a good policy in theory, but does essentially mean if DD is feeling sore, that she either has to go into school in pain or not go to school. I think I need to speak to the head. There must be wriggle room in this. Must be a way they make it allowable that a child comes in after calpol.

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user789653241 · 05/03/2017 09:26

Italiangreyhound, I don't know about others, but I would go extreme on hygiene routine every day.

My ds gets ill means hospital admission normally. Isolated so he doesn't develop anything life threatening symptoms. Happened maybe 4 times in reception, 3 in yr1, 2 in yr2.
Nothing since yr3, thanks to him getting stronger. But we haven't changed our routine, lots of expensive immune boosting supplement, lots of healthy meals, no time outside playing when too cold, cancelling ex-cur clubs when slightly ill, etc.
I send him school with anti bac gel to clean his hands. I wear mask when I'm ill. (I know it looks stupid, but still.)
I am quite confident that I am doing things to make sure he won't get ill, so he doesn't have to take day off school, other than his regular appointments.

Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 09:33

Can you link me to the immune boosting supplement? Anti bac gel is a good idea. May help.

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Berthatydfil · 05/03/2017 09:42

It seems really unfair if you present her st school and they refuse to allow her to attend just because she has taken painkillers - which I'm assuming is calpol or neurophen.
I would be challenging those absences - it's possible that it's an exclusion and if that's the case
A) school needs to explain this more clearly and show op exactly where in it's policies and law it can do this
B) get those absences reclassified and removed from the calculation

If I was you op I would book a meeting with the ewo explain your dds condition and that she is awaiting surgery, and clarify with them the schools refusal to allow her to attend on certain days where you are treating her condition with safe legal over the counter medication

Don't cancel the holiday even if you have to pay a fine.

leccybill · 05/03/2017 09:50

Are you saying the school refuse to accept her in after having Calpol? This seems ridiculous. Many children wake up feeling feverish/under the weather and are sent in after having Calpol, I'm sure of it. Done it plenty of times with DD.

How much time off school will the holiday require?
Does DD have any siblings that will be off too?

MaisyPops · 05/03/2017 09:50

Givemeallthechocolate
Yeah. That sounds like a really nasty bout of it (I only aksed because we've had kids who were a bit coughy and next thing it's i need to go home its tonsilitis). Poor thing it sounds awful if shes feeling like that.

The painkiller thing at school sounds odd. It's almost like their policy makes it difficult for people to send kids in. May be worth talking to them about that.
The idea that taking painkillers means they aren't fit to learn is daft. If that's the case most teachers aren't fit to teach. And I'd take bets the school would expect teachers to take paracetamol and get themselves in.

user789653241 · 05/03/2017 09:55

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Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 10:05

Leccybill-
Yes, I was stunned. I think I even clarified that it was only calpol which she had been given. Maybe at the time after getting her to clarify with another member of staff, I should have insisted I saw the head.

Instead I just kept saying, but she's always taking painkillers, she will never be in school. But the old school allowed me to give her painkillers during the day. I'd often be there at 12 with calpol and a pack of strepsils!

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EveOnline2016 · 05/03/2017 10:09

Don't cancel the holiday.

Kids can't help getting ill. I would not be employable if I couldn't take painkillers. Why are the school saying you can't take a dc in when they have had painkillers.

user789653241 · 05/03/2017 10:10

Calpol and send dc home doesn't make sense at all. Calpol is harmless.
Why you never mentioned it was just calpol? I assumed it was a stronger medicine when you referred painkillers.

leccybill · 05/03/2017 10:12

Just looked on my DD'S school website at their Medicines Policy.
Even prescribed medicines can be taken into school and administered by a First Aider. So I doubt they'd have an issue with Calpol.
You really need to pursue this issue, OP. I'm sure the EWO can help you with this as it is a very usual stance to turn children away after Calpol.

Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 10:12

Oh and holiday would have been 10 days. Just DD. She's an only child. I'm not sure what to do about that.
I am torn between cancelling it, or trying to bulk up educational related trips whilst in Orlando and only doing a couple of days at Disney, and consulting with a private tutor to get some materials together to keep her up to date. This route is looking quite unlikely at the moment though as holiday is quite near. May be best to just cancel.

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Crumbs1 · 05/03/2017 10:22

Mmmnnnn So younchanged schools without getting place at new school - seems shortsighted at best.
Antibiotics can be given outside school times, so not sure why she needed to be off to have them.
You kept letting her stay off because of friendship issues.
You're telling school she's had calpol - why?
You're considering a holiday in term time.
Not sure you're valuing education or giving right message about attendance.

Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 10:26

I'm glad that it isn't only me who thinks that the painkiller issue is odd.

I will definitely discuss this with the head. I can't imagine how they keep any kind of attendance if the kids can't go in with painkillers.

That was a 3 day loss, where they deemed DD not able to come in, but if it were my decision she would have been there.

That's kind of my point, they are making a fuss about attendance, when their policy (which I can't find online to double check) stipulated she couldn't attend for 3 days that I deem to be unnecessary.
I should have created merry hell until I saw the headteacher, but then I didn't want to seem like an uncaring mum who was trying to palm her too ill child off on the school.

Thanks for the link Irvine. Do you have a particular recommendation?

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Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 10:31

Crumbs, have you read the thread?
First point, I'll give you that.
Antibiotics are not the issue, she's given them in school no problem. Also required 4 times per day. So no they are needed during the school day.

I did not let her stay off because of friendship issues, where did you get that from?! I didn't let DD stay off at all. I kept taking her to school. The tummy troubles were because of friendship issues. I dealt with it as best I could. IE kept sending my child to school and spoke to teacher.

The school asked about the carpool. All these answers have been within the posts I've made before this one.

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Givemeallthechocolate · 05/03/2017 10:32

*calpol not carpool.

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TheZeppo · 05/03/2017 10:44

Can you move the holiday? I know it'll cost, but better than cancelling?

School being a bit silly sending her home for that. Bit different as I teach secondary, but we would never have full classes if that was the rule at ours!

It is automatically triggered. Try not to worry- remember that ultimately they just want to make sure she gets her education.

Oh, and I'd have zero problem with her having strepsils in class, but that's just me.