To think DD's punishment from PE teacher was draconian?

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DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch for all but the last 15 minutes of the break (so she could eat), much of it whilst the boys were having football practice, who apparently found it quite funny. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

Your DD just needs to understand that if she behaves correctly during lessons then she won't have to do her PE lesson during her lunch break. It's as simple as thathat really. Not only is she disrupting her own time, she is disrupting the lesson for her peers. I would be happy for this to continue until by DD stopped being lippy in class.

123yourusername What a terrible attitude to have. And what's worse, you're actually proud of your Mother. This sort of behaviour from children and parents is a huge factor leading to teachers leaving the profession and the current shortages.

YABU

For all you know the PE teacher had told them off for talking and messing about and then said something like "The next person I have to speak to because they are not listening/talking/messing around will run laps at lunchtime to make up for the time being wasted in my class".

They are then more than within their rights to follow through when your daughter turned out to be the one who messed around/chatted when she shouldn't because a) she was warned b) she misbehaved c) it will act as a deterrant from her (and others) doing it again in future.

Why didn't she tell the teacher to not so politely get lost.

And they wonder why teachers are leaving the profession..

I think it's completely unreasonable, potentially humiliating in both instances, punishing twice for the same very minor offence, not allowing her to stay warm enough, not to mention allowing a group of boys to mock her while she was doing it. I'm pretty laid back but I'd be in the school having meetings over this, wanting to see their discipline policies etc.

Yes being "lippy" is inappropriate and I have told her that, maybe it seemed like I think that's nothing much, I just don't think it's horrendous but think teachers rightly deal with it in proportionate ways. The teacher already did that in the lesson.

To those saying she should have told the teacher where to go she wouldn't do that because although she can be "lippy" she doesn't cross the line with teachers and is generally well behaved.

I think being made to run for that length of time during a lunch break, in the cold and wet is OTT and do think doing so around a football pitch the boys are using rather than one not being used is part of why it is too.

Probably it was worse than just a bit of talking whilst the teacher was?

Still seems a bit excessive as a punishment - but no real harm done and hopefully she'll know to behave next time

So your kid wastes everyone's time, backchats, is "lippy" and had to do some PE at lunchtime (essentially a detention to do the work of the class that she disrupted.) Yeah, you're on a hiding to nothing with this one. Maybe you should try to teach her some manners.

123yourusername: Why didn't she tell the teacher to not so politely get lost. My PE teacher was the same and tried to hand out similar punishments but I always told her where to go, then got my mum to back me up.

I used to hate children like that when I was teaching, and hated the enabling parents, too. They were always the first to complain when they got crap results, too - nothing was ever the child's fault.

123yourusername, bad attitude there. There is always one.

I didn't have great experiences at school PE, but would never have told any teacher to fuck off.

The problem here seems to be OP's DD being far too lippy and needing to rein it in. You are advocating the opposite. Great idea (not).

Teachers are not allowed to use physical exercise or humiliation as punishment. The teacher should have punished your DD in another way. I would be complaining.

I know she can be a bit "lippy"

You lost me at this.

Teach your child to show some respect towards teachers.

You sound like a nightmare parent OP & seem to want to raise an entitled horror too. One of the biggest reasons why my company (a FTSE 100 top tier investment bank) wouldn't re-hire interns is if they were 'lippy'/interrupting meetings. Get your daughter's behaviour fixed.

essentially a detention to do the work of the class that she disrupted

This is a very good way of putting it, Wonko ... if a child disrupts an English lesson to the point they are sent out, they will be given detention to catch up the missed work, why should PE be different?

If your DD can't be quiet and respectful enough to the point that she has to sit out the session because of it, why should she not have to make that time up at a later time?

The type of disruption your DD is causing is not minor. It is extremely annoying.

'Good morning everyone, today's plan is to....'
X is speaking, so both X and Y aren't listening, W can't hear, Z gets distracted.

Imagine that every single time. Plus being lippy? Parent speak for cheek.

She deserved laps.

This is the kind of thing that would have me suggesting to the child that they don't mess about in lessons again.

Nope. Can't see anything wrong in the 'punishment'
To be honest I wouldn't have seen it as a punishment if it were me because I loved running
I wouldn't have minded my daughter getting that punishment either because I know how stroppy she was at that age.
As for having to wear her PE kit?....That's what you wear to run surely.
I doubt your dd will suffer long term harm.
Maybe she will think twice before being lippy or disruptive.
Teachers have enough crap to put up with.

I think some are overreacting a bit to a kid talking whilst the teacher is, it is rude and should be dealt with but hardly crime of the century at school

Try telling the teacher that. One child that's a 'bit lippy' can disrupt a whole lesson.

It is rather stupid to use physical exercise as a punishment, especially with girls, as not enough of them do exercise anyway. That's the angle I'd take and I'm pretty sure when Gove or someone similar suggested it, he or they was/were put in their place smartish.

The OP isn't saying her daughter shoudl not have been punished, she is saying the sort of punishment was inappropriate. I agree. I also agree that having to run laps in front of boys is not appropriate either. For goodness sake, so many female would-be runners are put off by the thought of men making stupid comments as they run!

In the OP's place I would check the school's discipline policy and write an email to the school to ask them to investigate, making the points above and referring to the discipline policy.

Was supervision the reason she was told to run round that pitch though, if there was already a member of staff there organising the football practice who could keep an eye on her at the same time?

A PE teacher using exercise as a punishment is illogical.

And I know that low level disruption is a pain, but there are other ways of dealing with it, and a decent teacher will employ those.

I meant "lippy" in a way which isn't uncommon to teenagers, not telling teachers where to go. She generally does well in school and gets good feedback from teachers, is never considered disruptive, I meant that sometimes she might answer teachers back (which when I have been told about it including on this occasion I haven't given her the impression it's anything but wrong). She works hard, plays a couple of sports, is hardly some rude tearaway with no manners.