To be disappointed that feminist Emma Watson has posed topless

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To promote her new film. Can't these A listers just wear a classy outfit?

Vanity Fair reader - women aged around 45 with an interest in high fashion

I think you are confusing it with Vogue. Vanity Fair is not a women's magazine. It's similar to and as dull and up itself as The New Yorker.

From the photo shoot it looks as if this remake owes more to Cocteau's La Belle et La Bête than Disney's Beauty and the Beast. La Belle et La Bête is one of my favourite films ; unfortunately I find Watson vapid and irritating.

I agree with Bill. And quite often I don't but I do on this. It's her choice to do it but it doesn't sit well with her previous claim to undermine gender stereotypes. Oldest stereotype in the book and the fact it's an ugly high-fashion outfit doesn't change that.

I think it's lovely that bed-jackets are back in fashion

^ best comment on thread.

Hmm. Well the thing is, I really don't like this thing where rich celebrities lecture the rest of us but don't practice what they preach. There's a lot of it going on. Multi millionaires telling us we should help the poor while they fly around in private jets. Or celebrities who bang on about helping the sick but don't pay their taxes so our health services can run. Or use causes like the UN to enhance their image. Or spend lots of money on pointless conferences about a cause rather than on the actual cause purely to showcase how caring they are for their image. It's that that I dislike rather than her personally, but I suppose as she does it, it does make me dislike her.

I mean banging on about destroying gender stereotypes then bloody being one. It's already being reported by the Sun and the Star as Hermione in her 'raciest shoot yet'. And the shoot would have been done knowing full well that would happen and it would get the film maximum exposure.

She's got a lot of mileage and exposure out of her feminist activities lecturing other people about how they shouldn't fit in with stereotypes (which she sorely needs as her career is not going well). But she's prepared to play into gender stereotypes by baring flesh to promote her film when it suits her. It is hypocritical.

Emma Watson has always been into high fashion. This is a high fashion photo shoot in Vanity fucking Fair. The notion that she has "got her tits out for the lads" because you can see a bit of underboob in one photo amongst many where she is completely covered up is laughable. I've always been proud to call myself a feminist and it's depressing that feminism seems to now be used to bash women over the head who don't conform to a very specific idea of how a woman should look, dress and behave

Tbh I think the OP is a journo, its in the rags so don't be suprised if this isnt

'MN outrage over Emma Watson photo shoot' although it didnt quite go that way did it OP lol

I've always been proud to call myself a feminist and it's depressing that feminism seems to now be used to bash women over the head who don't conform to a very specific idea of how a woman should look, dress and behave

I wonder if the matriarchy now have a hand in keeping women down, the sacrifices 1st and 2nd wave feminists made to allow women to be able for the most part choose their own path in life its a shame that some feminists in their control of women come over as being a little bit mysogynistic

JustAnotherPoster - don't be silly, I'm not a "journo". And I didn't want this thread to go any particular way - I'm catching up on it now and finding it very interesting.

Yeah, ok Emma, we get it, you're a grown up now with your arty boobs pose, you're not Hermoine any more

I do get really fed up of people squawking about journalists.

Anyway here is Emma's take on 'feminism' - "So, yeah, we gave Belle a job."

Arguably, the whole concept of the Disney princess is in itself so very anti feminist (and yes, I know Elsa is possibly an exception) that no matter how modern Belle becomes, how many servants emerge as gay, to repeatedly state you are a 'feminist' and then to take a role in a fairy tale - and fairy tales are intended both as warnings and as aspirations for little girls - is contradictory in itself.

I think many of the arguments we are having here is because there isn't a clear definition of what feminism is, no matter what Caitlin Moran claims, and as such, one persons idea of feminism (women can do what they want!) clashes with another's (women shouldn't be defined by their tits.)

By acting all outraged and focusing on the ONE photo you're playing right in the hands for rags like the sun and the rest with "raciest photo yet" "emma watson poses topless" shite. It was one picture,in a high fashion photo shoot.

Arainyday Merida and Moana are pretty bad ass too. Merida is my favourite

Haven't seen it, but I'll take your word for it :)

Arainyday I definitely recommend Brave. You should watch it. But be warned,if you watch it with kids,demands for bows and arrows will be made .

Beauty and the Beast is a story about Stockholm Syndrome and no amount of tweaking the story line will make it less so.

misses point

There is no age, the FA changed it from 16 to 18 either last year or the year before. However it does raise a few questions of strength and development .

I run a football club, and we do have mixed team, however once they reach about 11 or 12 most of the girls prefer to be in a team of girls, and leave to go to a girls team and that down to a number of reasons, be that personal, preference or development.

Elendon yup Stockholm Syndrome,trauma bonding and if you just love your abuser enough he will change and become your Prince Charming. Delightful..like most Disney movies.

Wrong thread, Jamie?

But anyway, and in fairness to Disney, most of their princesses are just derived from the original fairy tales, which teach girls subjugating themselves to males (to the point of lack of consciousness in two cases) is the ultimate aim, beauty is the only quality needed to escape towers / comas / poverty and marriage makes everything wonderful. As long as you marry a prince.

It's her choice.

Also, not sure that her career isn't going well. The impression I always got was that EW came out of Harry Potter with the financial security not to work if she doesn't want to and has been continuing to work at a slower pace ever since. She's the lead in Beauty and the Beast which is a massive film as part of one of the biggest franchises out there. Doesn't exactly smack of desperation.

She has always been topless underneath her clothes

If I were here after reading some of the comments on this thread I'd want to go streaking through Piccadilly Circus.

A lot of people here plainly don't understand feminism at all, to the few who do, and you know who you are

It's already being reported by the Sun and the Star as Hermione in her 'raciest shoot yet'. And the shoot would have been done knowing full well that would happen and it would get the film maximum exposure.

Christ alive. Do you really not see what's glaringly, horrifyingly wrong about this logic? You sincerely believe women should repress themselves and not do anything fun and enjoyable for themselves because of how men others will take it? That a young woman shouldn't enjoy a high fashion photo shoot because other people being disgusting about it is HER RESPONSIBILITY? Are you bashing the Sun etc for being vile or are you bashing the woman they're being vile about?

Are you of the 'well you know what happens if you wear short skirts' brigade? Because you certainly sound like you are.

Emma Watson was being sexualised by the Torygraph when she was 14 and wore an elegant dress to a Harry Potter premiere. The only way she could possibly avoid ever gathering any crass attention is if she lives in a burka in an underground cellar and never has any fun.

Oh hang on, that's what you people want. As you were.

I think you are confusing it with Vogue. Vanity Fair is not a women's magazine

Not confusing it with Vogue at all. Vanity Fair's circulation statistics show that 80% of its readers are women with a median age of 45. So the typical reader of Vanity Fair is indeed a woman aged around 45 with an interest in high fashion. To be more precise, she is a college-educated woman aged around 45 living in a household with above average earnings.

If, like BillSykesDog, you think 80% of readers being women is not enough to make it a women's magazine you may like to reflect on the fact that only 80% of Playboy Magazine's readers are men.