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Rock and a hard place - My dog and new baby

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Lemondrop09 · 26/02/2017 10:29

Perhaps AIBU is the wrong place to post this, as people can be very scathing. Please be honest but gentle with me!

Sorry this is so long.....

I rescued my dog over 7 years ago, when he was 8 months old. He'll be 8 years old in a few months time. He is a large cross breed (two guard breeds) and weighs over 40kg. He was poorly bred and poorly socialised and has been mentally screwed up by his bad start. He had multiple homes in his short life before coming to us. He did not go through a proper rescue centre and if he had a proper behavioural assessment, I strongly suspect he would have been put down. He would not have been rehomable - not because he's excessively aggressive, but few rescues will home dogs with even the slightest aggression.

His aggression is fear based. He's scared of strangers and other dogs. If properly introduced to a person or another dog, he's fine. In fact, he's a total baby and as soon as you have his trust, he'll love you forever. We spent so much time and money over the years on behaviourists, trainers and socialisation classes. He improved a lot, but he will always be difficult. We always walk him on lead and usually muzzled (as a precaution, he's never actually bitten anyone, the muzzle in more in case of other dogs) and actively avoid other dogs on walks. Walking him is stressful, but we mostly get out and back without incident. We do not bother introducing him to any people he does not need to know, instead we usually shut him away when we have visitors. However if we have overnight guests, he can be successfully introduced with a bit of time and lots of sausage!

Ok, so here's the main issue. When I got him seven years ago, I was not remotely thinking about children and had also expected an 8 month old puppy to turn into a normal dog with enough effort. I underestimated how much genetics would play and that he would never be normal. I thought I could turn him around completely. I couldn't,

I am now pregnant with our first child, although it's early days. It's been a very hard time as I've had hypermesis gravardium and have been (and still am) very unwell. I haven't got out of bed in weeks, and DH is working full time, running the household and sorting out dog. We normally split the dog walking (as Neither of us enjoy doing it due to stress) but he's done it every single day without complaining, even though I know it makes him miserable. I feel awful about it.

Both my SILs and MIL have never had any time for our dog. They aren't animal people and can't forgive him for his issues. As such, we have never introduced him to them. I find them quick to judge him and they all clearly think we should simply get rid of him. Now I'm pregnant, they've already started asking us about what we're going to do. It's so upsetting that I've asked DH to tell them to lay off.

Thing is, DH and I have known for a while that we would need to make a decision eventually, and we've had circular discussions but there's no easy answer.

We've tried for this baby for over a year and it's very much wanted. It's going to be hard enough have a newborn, without the stress about whether or not our own pet will harm it. Also (a more minor issue), our dog can be demanding and pushy. When he wants a walk or food, he will pace and whine, and drive you crackers. This behaviour when I'm sleep deprived with a screaming newborn is likely to push me over the edge.

DH is likely to have to pick up the dog walking for the majority of the time, as I cannot safely walk my dog and a buggy as I need two hands if an off lead dog approaches us (I might be able to cope with a sling, but still doesn't feel safe to carry a newborn and potentially deal with a dog spat). Getting a dog walker is not really an option, as our dog needs 1:1 care from someone who can handle him. I got this dog before DH came along, he's had a very difficult dog thrust on him which he wouldn't have chosen. DH does so well with our dog, but I know he does it for me.

I've tried to consider whether it would be realistic to keep the dog separate from baby during the day? Then let the dog out with us in the evenings? Once the baby has settled and is bigger there's a chance they could be introduced carefully.

Or can they? As I said, my dog is only scared of the unknown and very good when he trusts. The home he came to before is had 3 children under 10 and he was fine with them, but that was years ago. He has never shown aggression to a child, but then again we've never let him very near to them. He's a darling with us, and I do think he has the potential to be fine with our child who will be familiar and constant to him.

But how the hell do we ever find that out? Can I really actually try introducing dog and baby, or is it too risky? I feel like it might be irresponsible to even try.

He's a big strong dog. He occasionally jumps on us if he gets excited. He's heavy and his claws are sharp. He has hurt us both without meaning to. He could easily knock a toddler over, even if being friendly.

Thing is, I love my dog. Nightmare he is, but he's my nightmare and I'm responsible for him. I never wanted to be that person to turf out their pet because a baby turned up. My worries are genuinely to do with safety and whether this situation is manageable.

Thing is, even if we decide we can't do it, he would be impossible to rehome. There are thousands of perfectly nice dogs who can't find homes. My dog will be 8 years old, with aggression issues and also expensive seasonal allergies. Literally, no one would want him. I've had professionals say to be "he's lucky he has you, because I wouldn't put up with him!". I don't want to rehome him, but even if I decide to, I really think we would struggle to find him a home. He'd hate being stuck in kennels long term as he'd be so stressed, and I fear a rescue centre would simply put him down.

If we can't keep him, and no one will take him, the only other option would be to have him put to sleep - which is unthinkable.

I feel totally stuck between a rock and a hard place. DH and I have had this conversation so many times and never come up with an answer, because there isn't one! I think deep down I know it would be difficult, if not impossible, to manage such a situation safely. But I can't bear the idea of turfing out an elderly troubled dog and where on Earth would he go?!

So please be gentle. I'm pregnant, hormonal and ill, and I love my dog very much. So please be honest, but I can't handle a flaming right now.

OP posts:
Vegansnake · 26/02/2017 18:08

What an awful dilemma 💐...hugs xox ..be kind to yourself..you have given him 8 yrs of life ,that with out you fighting his corner ,he probably wouldn't of had..xx

mummymeister · 26/02/2017 18:16

OP I have been reading this thread. what I would say is that you have a lot of good ideas about how to safely introduce the baby to the dog. all of these are ideas that you have thought about carefully and could easily put into practice now.

but "now" is not the same situation as you will be in when you have your baby. you have no idea of the crushing tiredness and the ease with which a mistake can be made because of it. forgetting to shut the door, being distracted, running downstairs quickly to grab something.

honestly until I had my first I thought all this "so tired you cant think " stuff was utter bollocks and that I was going to be different. I wasn't. I like everyone else have done some really stupid things due to tiredness.

you already know that your dog has issues. if you already had your baby (and no dog) and you saw that this dog wanted rehoming would you rehome? if the answer is no then really putting the two of them together will massively increase your stress levels and put your baby at an entirely avoidable risk.

Trifleorbust · 26/02/2017 18:25

HerBluebiro: I don't think she is trying to get rid of her dog because of the inconvenience. I think she has made two irreconcilable commitments when she should only have made one at a time. Yes, the first commitment was a little naive, but so now is the second one because she didn't give it due consideration beforehand and is only asking now she is pregnant. So whilst I feel sorry for her, I can't approach this with the same degree of sympathy as some on the thread. I hope it works out for her though as she sounds like a nice lady.

CivicBlue1 · 26/02/2017 18:26

Haven't rtft so apologies if someone has already suggested this, try contacting the a breed specific rescue. If he's a cross, try both breeds. Explain everything to them. Please don't tell them what you think they want to hear. They may be able to help. In most cases they will assess the dog, the dog goes into a foster home and is then rehomed, in most cases to someone who has been home check by the rescue.
Just type the breed followed by rescue Scotland/England/Wales eg. German shepherd rescue Scotland.

BeaderBird · 26/02/2017 18:28

Have the dog put down. Honestly, once the baby is here you will feel very differently. I have a slightly iffy dog - nothing like yours even and recently brought my brand new baby home from the hospital. It sounds incredibly extreme but we have just built an extension in our house for the PIL to live in - although there are several benefits to this arrangement my ONLY motivation was the fact that the dog would go in and live next door with them. We have him through with us in the evening and if the baby is sleeping up in her carrycot on the high stand we have.

Had I not been able to do this, I would have been taking my dog to have him put down and that dog has been my life/baby for ten years. 7 of those years we tried for this baby.

There is no chance to be taken - the minute your baby is born it will become clear and you will see that you can not keep that dog.

BertrandRussell · 26/02/2017 18:29

"I think she has made two irreconcilable commitments when she should only have made one at a time"

She's had this dog for 8 years. Are you saying that she should have waited until the dog died before starting a family???

bunnylove99 · 26/02/2017 18:40

OP your commitment in looking after your wayward dog all these years is commendable. I think you must now let him go. Your baby is far too precious to allow such an unnecessary risk to its life in your home (which is exactly what this is). It will of course be upsetting but perhaps not as upsetting as you think as your whole life us about to change with the arrival of your baby.

Trifleorbust · 26/02/2017 18:40

BertrandRussell: I'm not arrogant enough to say that that is what she should have done. But it is what I would have done, and I think the reasonable thing to do when you know the dog you have made a commitment to isn't able to be around kids.

ToffeeForEveryone · 26/02/2017 18:42

You can't possibly keep the dog.

A large unpredictable dog that would meet most vet's behaviour / aggression criteria for PTS. Keeping a dog like that around a baby would be grossly negligent and irresponsible.

It's a shit situation and it must be very hard for you. Do what you can to try to rehome but it's paramount that baby comes first, the risk is just too great.

early30smum · 26/02/2017 18:46

I think it's astounding anyone should seriously think the OP should have put off having a baby until the dog died. OP took on a badly abused puppy aged 8 months, when he otherwise would have been put down, as his sibling was. She hoped, and thought, he could be trained to be able to eventually cope with having a baby in the house. Sadly, that hasn't proved to be the case, but she did not take on this dog knowing that having him and a baby would be incompatible. Why should she, after giving years of her life to a dog that many people would have PTS long ago, sacrifice the chance to have a baby? This is not the classic 'have dog, get pregnant, get rid of dog as no longer fancy having to look after a dog and a baby.' Far from it. You can tell from reading her posts how torn OP is about it all and how desperately she wants to keep her dog and work the situation out.

origamiwarrior · 26/02/2017 19:19

OP, I really feel for you. But please don't see PTS as being a bad option for your dog. Dogs live in the moment and have no sense of 'the future'; he's not lying in his bed, keenly anticipating an old age in front of the fire - he doesn't have the mental capacity for that (only we do). Dogs live in the moment.

Once the baby arrives, he is puzzled, unsettled, ears flicking back at every cry, banished upstairs with at least two doors locked between him and you, senses the anxiety when he approaches you with the baby, is resentfully walked once a day by an exhausted owner. His 'moment' (that he is living in) isn't that great. And you have already identified that his 'moment' in a shelter, or in an unsuitable rehoming, would be even worse.

PTS = lights being switched off. Dog falls asleep in the presence of the owner he loves. He's had 8 good years with you. Dog won't know any different.

I wish you well with your decision.

Trifleorbust · 26/02/2017 19:20

early30smum: Because a dog is a commitment for the life of the animal. It is not beyond the wit of man (or woman) to imagine that a rescue dog may not be compatible with a baby. The OP didn't give this enough thought, fair enough, but I can't feel sorry for her.

BertrandRussell · 26/02/2017 19:32

"The OP didn't give this enough thought, fair enough, but I can't feel sorry for her."
Trifle- she took on the dog 8 years ago! And she had every confidence that the dog's problems could be sorted out. Perfectly reasonably.

Haggisfish · 26/02/2017 19:39

Trifle clearly has no intention of changing her mind on this. Op, whatever decision you come to, it will have been well considered and thought through. No one could ask for more.

limon · 26/02/2017 19:40

Ditch the dog. Human child trumps pet dog every time.

cauliwobbles · 26/02/2017 19:46

I wouldn't have a dog who wouldn't pass a behavioural test anywhere near my child, baby, toddler or older. The risk is far too great.

stonecircle · 26/02/2017 19:51

Bertrand - She's had this dog for 8 years. Are you saying that she should have waited until the dog died before starting a family???

Why ever not? The dog is unlikely to live more than a couple of years.

isadoradancing123 · 26/02/2017 19:58

Having him put to sleep would actually be much kinder to him than stressing him by rehoming him, and then if the new owner can't cope he may be passed on again and again

Stripyhoglets · 26/02/2017 20:36

As you are so unwell so realistically not able to deal with the retraining now, I honestly think the kindest thing would be your have the dog pts. He's has 8 happy years with you, see if you can get a vet to do so home visit so he's in his home environment and he can be pts at home. He won't be scared, he won't be confused by the change in his routine the baby will bring, you will be doing this as much as an act of love as taking him in and dealing with his issues was over the years. I love dogs and part of being a good dog owner is knowing when to let them go when it's the best thing for them as well. I wouldn't recommend him, unless he's incredibly lucky that would be risky and stressful for him.

straighttalker · 26/02/2017 20:46

I don't understand this kneejerk reaction of getting dog put to sleep or rehomed. It would be a reprehensible act to betray this animal in the later stages of his life for something he hasn't done.
It's quite frankly ridiculous to read the responses from the -Oh but you can't put your baby even at miniscule risk hunz, that is the most important thing ever...! Kill anything that looks at it funny hun!- brigade.

Look, work on getting the dog adapted to baby cries and baby stuff. Get him into a routine of a walk each day at a certain time - early morning/late evening when you or your partner can do it. Keep the dog separate if you must during the day, it'll adjust. Never leave the dog alone in a room with the child (this is common sense, I wouldn't leave a toddler with a sharp knife aka teeth alone in a room with a baby either).

No matter how much thought you've given this, you don't know what the dog will be like when the baby is here. He could be fine, after a period of adjustment. And you would have killed a living creature (who you are responsible for and who trusts you) for no reason at all.

As for the time and effort involved in giving him attention, and walks. Tough. Just suck it up and do it. The dog is your - and now your partner's -responsibility, that's what you have to do.

DOI - Owner of a rescue dog with issues. And one much loved by all senior and junior members of family.

straighttalker · 26/02/2017 20:49

Also - this dog isn't unwell.

It is no part of 'being a good dog owner' to arrange euthanasia when they become inconvenient no matter how much of a 'good life' you've given them until now.

Really, very frustrated by the responses on this thread.

Get rid of dog? Dog trumps human?

The baby and the dog aren't locked in a mortal fight to the death, people. It's not an either/or situation.

Cantusethatname · 26/02/2017 21:31

I think it is, without any question of a doubt, an either/or situation.

greedycushionhoarder · 26/02/2017 21:38

Please join reactive dogs UK on Facebook, it is a very supportive group with qualified behaviorists and trainers on board to help people just like you, many members have posted similar situations and received help and advice and no judgement, we all have dogs with issues and know what you're going through. There is an application process to join in order to protect members and keep the group private but it is worth it.

BertrandRussell · 26/02/2017 21:41

"t's quite frankly ridiculous to read the responses from the -Oh but you can't put your baby even at miniscule risk hunz, that is the most important thing ever...! Kill anything that looks at it funny hun!- brigade."

Utter, utter bollocks.

Cantusethatname · 26/02/2017 21:47

It's not "miniscule risk" is it. If you have a defenceless 3kg baby in the same house as a 40kg dog which is known to be temperamental and likely to be jealous, that is not a miniscule risk.