to think under these new rules no one will qualify for PIP .....the replacement for DLA.

[HelenaDove]

Looks like the ruling has been created retrospectively in a hurry.....a bit like they did with workfare.

People with epilepsy and dementia arent going to qualify Utterly disgusting.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/tory-ministers-have-rewritten-the-law-to-deny-increased-disability-benefit-payments-to-more-than-150000-people/ar-AAngTpD?li=AA54rU

Copied from HERE
New descriptors
The new descriptors will read (changes in bold by us):

a. Can plan and follow the route of a journey unaided. 0 points.

b. Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points.

c. For reasons other than psychological distress, cannot plan the route of a journey. 8 points.

d. For reasons other than psychological distress, cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid. 10 points.

e. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points.

f. For reasons other than psychological distress, cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. 12 points.

The effect will be that people who are too anxious to ever undertake journeys unless they have someone with them, for example because they have panic attacks or similar, will be unlikely to be awarded more than 4 points by the DWP. This means they will not be able to get an award of the mobility component on the basis of this activity alone.

Even claimants who are too anxious to ever go on journeys, even if they have someone with them, will only score 10 points and thus not be eligible for the enhanced rate of the mobility component on the basis of this activity alone.

-End of quote-

So for autistic adults who would get distressed and would be unable to cope if a bus didn't turn up, or roadworks meant they had to take a different route, or crowds mean they have a meltdown - that all counts as psychological distress and they would not qualify under the new criteria.

My DS is nearly 15. He has ASD and LD. he's been at a special school since reception. But he has no external support at all, it was very much a case of diagnosis (at 2.5) and then left to get on with it. He gets middle rate care and lower rate mobility for DLA. I'm really worried he won't qualify for PIP as there's no one to apart from me to say what his needs are.

I seriously doubt he could get a job - his conversations are extremely repetitive, he needs constant reminding to listen to other people. He stims a lot. (Bouncing and very noisy)

But in other ways, because of his brilliant school, he can be quite independent, he's fine hygiene wise, he can cook simple meals etc. But he has no real understanding of money values (e.g. If he gave someone £20 for something costing £5 and they gave him £1 change he wouldn't notice) and he needs someone with him to travel, not because of anxiety but his lack of understanding.

I'm hoping that at a meeting with an assessor he'll just talk about whatever his current obsession is (currently traffic lights!) and they'll understand why he needs PIP.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39097019

Disability benefits should go to "really disabled people" not those "taking pills at home, who suffer from anxiety", a key Theresa May aide says.

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Anyone still want to admit voting Tory ?

Lurking what really pisses me off is when people vote Tory and then get involved with or hold those Macmillan coffee mornings.

Eating cake a couple of times a year to pretend they care for the purposes of virtue signalling.

Basically "Hey we would love it if you survived cancer or whatever illness you have as long as it doesnt cost us anything"

I saw a photo of one of the tables of these coffee mornings on the fb page of a company that is quite happy to leave tenants (some of whom are ill) without heating for long periods. The hypocrisy and disconnect is astounding.

It makes me sick. At the same time they're lowering corporation tax from 20% to 17% over the next three years.

I never thought I'd be a card carrying member of a political party but last week I signed up to the Lib Dems because we need a party to stand up to the Tories and it doesn't appear to be Labour at the moment.

I do urge you all to do whatever you can - anything from joining another political party, helping with leafleting around the next election, etc. We have to take action...

Is there any kind of protest being arranged?

Huh! Guess what? DC has qualified and succdessfully received PIP enhanced . That's the highest one.
At last> after YEARS of banging my head against brick walls, but...........

Applying now for a disabled parking badge.

Form ststes DC has to ''score'' more than 8 points for mobility issues, Iand yes, DC ''scores'' FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!

Even after all the assessments/GP/hoz confirmastion etc.... DC apparently isn't ''crippled'' enough as DC can walk about 10 steps before being exhausted and needing a sit down olr the travel wheelchair we use.

FFS.

I know Im grateful DCs got the highest rate but what the fucksa the point of that if we STILL cant have access to things DCs entitled to?????????

bloody fucking government and their don't care attitude.

(excuse typos, Im angry and typing fast!)

Do you mean they gave enhanced care and standard mobility?

yes. yet............. I give up! cant deal with all this any more.

More people will die. It hasn't bothered them so far. It's almost as if they want us to...no, surely not

Sadly, they don't care. One off the unemployment figures isn't it. Its a bonus if people just crawl away and die :(

Disgusting, but not surprising. Unfortunately the Tories know they have a fair few years of being untouchable...at least until Labour sort themselves out if they ever do. So they can bring in these draconian changes.

The problem when you are awarded standard and you think (or know) you should be on enhanced...is if you appeal it you could lose the entire award.

DHs aunt recently had a 'medical' and was 'downgraded' from enhanced to standard, meaning she loses the car that she seriously needs. Her condition has got worse, not better, she has a bunch of evidence behind her. She was a couple of points short of enhanced. So she did a MR. MR result? Not entitled to ANYTHING. Yes, they took the standard awards off her! She will appeal and I am 99% sure she will win, but its just horrendous.

Labour Party has a petition about this. Please sign.

Am I understanding correctly that those who are physically capable of achieving the things set out for the mobility points system but cannot do so for non-physical reasons (for want of a better word) such as epilepsy, mental health or learning difficulty they would be denied the motibility componement?

f it was for reasons of psychological distress, possibly. not if it was for reasons such as cognitive disfunction.

Psychological distress causes cognitive dysfunction. FFS

It's awful. And it's disappointing how many people still keep voting for Tories.

This in spades.

I hope people are starting to finally wake up to the reality of having the 'nasty party' in charge of the country.

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but what do they understand by psychological distress? I mean if you have anxiety and can't leave the house it means it's not relevant as it's not a neurological issue?

therealsquire
Would you be able to get anything from mental health services? Detailing suicide attempt, refusal to engage etc?
I have mental health issues but the services basically do not give a fuck about me, there's no treatment, I don't have a CPN... but they were, after much prodding, willing to provide an evidence letter for PIP. It basically described my issues and sort of glossed over detailing exactly what treatment/support I have none.

I think pip aside, alot of parent carers of young adults with LD are being pushed into choosing more expensive residential options because of the cuts to day care and appropriate college places. The cuts just don't make sense if it is pushing families to breaking point. My daughter is 18 soon and I'm seriously considering in county residential placement, even though I'd have kept her at home another decade but there is just no educational and scant social care provision and I'm not sure I can cope. It's false economy really as they will have to pay so much more for residential. Idiots.

Helena, you must tell your husband to apply for pip. We were called for assessment but we still got it at the same rate as dla equivalent.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-last-leg-diability-cuts_uk_58ba72f0e4b05cf0f400d555

Yes ageee owllady. In my area the parents who have kept their young adults with LD's at home have very limited support. Three short days placement at most (10-3). That's an awful lot of caring they're doing.

I know :(
I saw the last leg too Helena. I agree with them. The amount of people who think you've brought it on yourself or just don't try hard enough or don't look after your own is unbelievable though.
There are alot of people who have no empathy whatsoever, let alone imagination.

YY Owllady Ive seen one on another thread.

DH and i are worried about the stress this process is going to cause him which will make his health even worse than it already is.

DS switched from DLA to PIP no problem. He has severe disabilities plus total blindness.

No interview. PIP called the school nurse to check our replies upon the PIP claim form were true.

I meant, they have this distinction between psychological distress and cognitive disfunction. The PIP assessors. I know how distress causes you to feel, but they seem to only count things like learning difficulties as cognitive disfunction. It is wrong, I agree, I have experienced it myself.

It may be a good plan to appeal the mobility if they have got it wrong. I thought it was 20m they have to walk. If they are going to take the rest of the award they have to tell you and you can pull out. So I have heard. There is also an option to appeal on paper, so if you have good evidence of the walking being more limited that may be a plan.