To dare speak about Vaxxed on MN?

[thegoodfight]

NC for this but a regular.

So I've just watched the documentary Vaxxed. I know how vaccine threads unfold on MN, so I'm ready to be told IABU however I feel like everyone should see this whatever your views - it's about the cover up around studies into autism and MMR

There is an admission from a CDC insider that he worked on the study and hid data which proved a link (a strong an quite frankly astounding one) and the data was sent to an external biologist who saw it for himself. There are first hand accounts from parents, scientists, doctors and politicians. The CDC haven't denied anything or called their lawyers despite it being an allegation of the biggest medical fraud ever (not exact words but something along those lines)

I just can't believe it's not been in the news! AIBU to ask if anyone else is planning to watch it??

i have utter faith in science

More fool you... agree with everything hackmum said.

The "study" that condemned saturated fat was hilariously flawed yet is still relied on now.

I am actually very grateful for my questioning mind as it's stood me in very good stead in life, including allowing me my three wonderful children.

Never stop questioning!!

For those saying they would rather their child have autism than measles, and that these parents have been conned by Wakefield - please please watch the documentary and see what you think then. These children are non-verbal, have seizures daily, and some have died. In every case in the film the symptoms started almost instantly after the vaccine.

For everyone saying that the studies have already said there is no link - this is EXACTLY what the film is about, that those studies were allegedly fixed and there is a lot of evidence to prove it. This isn't about Wakefields study, it's about the CDC's study.

Every single argument made on this thread is addressed in the doc (yes, even the Penn & Teller video that MN so heavily relies on) If you don't want to pay to watch it then it's on YouTube. Even if you watch it with a critical mind, if you're so so certain that there is no link then why all the fuss!!

Climate change scientists have been proven to manipulate data on more than one occasion.

I really question the funding of research too. How many studies are truly independent?

Ooh, show me one of those occasions, @peggyundercrackers.

I'll just park this here in meantime.

Just one final point - and then I am actually leaving! History has shown many many vaccine induced epidemics and mishaps. The first MMR vaccine caused meningitis in Canada and the U.K. And was pulled, it was then taken to Brazil and caused a meningitis epidemic. The CDC has admitted to the polio vaccine containing a cancer causing element in the 1950s. These are facts. It's not unheard of for vaccines to cause widespread illness.

I found this website helpful

howdovaccinescauseautism.com

merrymumoftwo my DC also changed after his mmr, he lost the one word he could say, didn't point again and started screaming alot more. Like you, I know it wasn't the vaccine because once I realised he had autism, I could see there were very subtle indications from the start.

I also agree with with your point about it not being more prevalent but instead more formally recognised. I saw something years ago that said that as the rates of autism have risen, the rates of 'general retardation' (as it was referred to years ago) have fallen. Same number of people involved, different classifications.

"I really question the funding of research too. How many studies are truly independent?"

That's one of the things peer review is about.

thegoodfight this is the thing though.....discrediting one sole doctor is so very easy. One man out of billions of people .......nobody now cares what the science shows/showed.....they just spout about Wakefield and how wrong he was. That's how effective discrediting what he did was. Now all it takes is a person to mention linking MMR (or actually anything else) with autism and it's shot down in flames as being linked with Wakefield.

People don't even feel the need to watch anything anti vax or the CDC African Boy study because they think they know the answers due to the effective mind washing of the population.

verbena this is exactly what i feel.

I just quietly go about my business but constantly question what is going on in the guts of kids with autism, many of whom respond to dietary adjustments.

Urgh...I really didn't want to comment again....but...

OurBlanche, you linked to this... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1808956.stm

There's a "study" mentioned on there that looks like all they've done is a simple chai-square test. That's not exactly compelling evidence of anything. Do you happen to have a link to the actual study?

This is the one I mean:

A Medical Research Council team looked at the vaccination records of 1,294 children diagnosed with autism or related conditions between 1987 and 2001 in England and Wales.
These children were compared with 4,469 children of the same sex and similar age who were registered with the same GP surgeries but did not have autism.
Overall, 78% of the children with autism had received MMR. But 82% of the other children had also been given MMR.
The researchers say this 4% difference is not significant, and they argue that the sheer size of their study makes their finding very powerful.

The attached photo has a list of signs of ASD in babies. My DS showed not a single of one of these as a baby. ive made a point of not blaming MMR but that's only because I don't need that eating away at me for the rest of our life. His symptoms only showed after the MMR.....when he began head banging, not playing with toys, giving up most food, getting highly anxious.

I've resigned myself to not thinking about a link and tbh, I actually wonder if the traumatic ventouse birth had more to do with it.....and I know that one mum cannot fight against the system when she really needs all her energy to care for her ASD child.

Forgot the photo....

Sorry, that meant to say my DS didn't show signs of NOT doing those things.....so he did do them before the MMR jab.

I think even if there is a 1% link it's better than risking a whole bunch of immunosuppressant people and those with severe allergies and asthma.

I think like most medical studies I take it with a pinch of salt. One minute red wine is good for you, next it's bad and then it's good again.

2bh, none of us has the time to fact check every story or theory. I wouldn't want to, anyway.

Brian Deer's investigation into Wakefield is compelling. But the GMC couldn't rely on it so independently collected a load of evidence to confirm the basic fraud allegations.

If you think the GMC is "in" on the conspiracy to harm everyone's children, then why trust any medical doctor ever to give you any treatment? If you think the CDC is "in" on the conspriacy, then why trust any ex-CDC employee?

The likely RF Kennedy commission is going to be horrible interesting in its conclusions. Goodbye Scientific Method. It was nice knowing you.

The link found in African American boys has been debunked.
I'll find a link.

I also read an interesting blog about vaccine damage, with the suggestion that there are higher cases of vaccine damage occurring but parents are dismissed and their experiences discredited. Autism is a catch-all diagnosis which helps to silence these cases. My son isn't vaccine damaged, but he did have some psychiatric side effects to montelukast, when we were worried and tried to get help, we were treated by all medical staff we saw as conspiracy theorists, even though now there is growing evidence of serious and sometimes irreversible side-effects. My son is autistic and has been from birth, but there are symptoms that he didn't have until he started on montelukast. We have no idea if the change in him was going to happen anyway or if it was indeed side effects, and we will never know as no-one would listen to us or even attempt to investigate what was going on beyond telling us "sort your parenting out".
I don't believe vaccines cause autism, but the way we were treated and ignored raises the possibility to me that there may be vaccine damage happening at a higher rate than previously thought, but no figures are available because these children are diagnosed autistic and that's that, case closed, and few parents can get anyone to listen, and that's where money making twatbags like Wakefield come into it. If you spend half your live being belittled, you eventually turn to someone who listens, even if they are wrong and have a hidden agenda.
I'll try to find that link too.

www.senseaboutscienceusa.org/african-american-boys-and-autism/

thesilentwaveblog.wordpress.com/tag/vaccines/

For everyone saying that the studies have already said there is no link - this is EXACTLY what the film is about, that those studies were allegedly fixed

The irony of this statement about a film produced by Andrew Wakefield is not lost. I don't suppose he mentions exactly why he was struck off by the GMC in the film.

Cloud person - the main study in Vaxxed is the African American boy study. This is where most of the data was falsified and destroyed. They couldn't bring themselves to admit vaccines mainly cause autism in young African American boys.

RE Wakefield - he's selling his doc for 99p. He's constantly ridiculed and his study is discredited (simply for saying a single vaccine would be safer than a triple). The pharmaceutical industry earns billions from vaccines and is exempt from paying out any vaccine injury damages (the $3.4billion has to be paid out by US taxpayers). Who are the money making twatbags??

Rafals - yes it does! It does that exactly.

Not one person on this thread has said they've even seen it, everyone is arguing something they have absolutely zero knowledge of - it's incredible. Watch it and then come back and argue.

Re food allergies, do we actually know there's been an increase in incidence rather than diagnosis? I am just thinking, things like this weren't paid much attention to until recently. Couldn't there have been quite a lot that were never brought to medical attention given that most humans haven't been able to access it until pretty recently, and that weren't recognised even when they were? I don't know how we factor this in to our assessments about prevalence.