To dare speak about Vaxxed on MN?

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So I've just watched the documentary Vaxxed. I know how vaccine threads unfold on MN, so I'm ready to be told IABU however I feel like everyone should see this whatever your views - it's about the cover up around studies into autism and MMR

There is an admission from a CDC insider that he worked on the study and hid data which proved a link (a strong an quite frankly astounding one) and the data was sent to an external biologist who saw it for himself. There are first hand accounts from parents, scientists, doctors and politicians. The CDC haven't denied anything or called their lawyers despite it being an allegation of the biggest medical fraud ever (not exact words but something along those lines)

I just can't believe it's not been in the news! AIBU to ask if anyone else is planning to watch it??

Yes, I found lots of studies investigating schedules for individual vaccines. My point is that there has been little research into the combined impact of the infant schedule as a whole (so the longer term effects of giving the 5in1, PCV, Rotarix, and Bexsero (and Calpol) simultaneously vs individually for instance). Considering the research into nonspecific vaccine effects and possible interactions I linked to earlier, this is what I think should ideally be investigated.

We remembered right Blanche mass vaccination for measles started in 1968
"Meanwhile, in November 1967, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, the British government’s principal expert advisory body on vaccination policy, recommended that all children aged one year and older who had not had measles and had not been vaccinated should be offered live attenuated vaccine.39 The recommendation was accepted, and in February 1968 local health authorities were informed. In 1968, by which time the inactivated vaccine had been withdrawn in the United States,40 the mass vaccination campaign using live vaccine began in Britain.41"
"However, supplies initially available were insufficient, so between May and July only susceptible children aged between four and seven years, plus children aged between one and seven years who attended nursery schools or lived in residential establishments, would be vaccinated. Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, “Minutes of Meeting of July 23, 1968. Document CHSC (VI)(68). First Meeting,” www.dh.gov.uk/ab/JCVI/DH_095054 (accessed June 30, 2012)"
More than feasible that I queued up for a measles jab in school, although did not actually get it.

Around the time that we started vaccinating, reported cases of autism went up. That's only because our knowledge of the symptoms of autism got better.

Ummm bruffin - I said waaaay upthread that it was introduced in the UK in 1968. Was that ever in dispute? Afaiwc we were discussing whether or not it was given as part of a mass campaign in schools. The only mention I found anywhere of a school campaign for the measles vaccine was in 1994 with the MR vaccine. The fact that many sources state that the uptake of the measles vaccine wasn't great until 1980 suggests that there wasn't a huge school campaign - or if there was then it wasn't very successful because many people decided not to have it.

The whole MMR thing is a bit of a red herring, when you consider that the types of people who are belelievng and promoting stuff like 'Vaxxed' are generally 'anti-vaxers' so not just against the MMR but any vaccine.

Or to put it another way, people who rely on you getting your child vaccinated with these oh so dangerous 'poisons' to protect their own kids from terrible things like polio and TB.

It doesnt suggest that at all, you forget previous 10 years previous to 1968 there had been 4 million cases of measles (and over 900 deaths) therefore those children would not have needed vaccinating.
It was normal in those days for vaccination of school age children to be done in school as is now, not sure why you seem to find that so unbelievable.

I don't find it unbelievable - I just haven't seen any reference to it being rolled out as part of a mass vaccination campaign in schools when it was introduced in 1968 whereas the school vaccination program in '94 with the MR vaccine is mentioned when you look at the history of the measles vaccination program.

Just because Bubblemummy didnt read it on the internet, it didnt happen

Slithery soap and slithery slime.

Don't be ridiculous.

Afaiwc we were discussing whether or not it was given as part of a mass campaign in schools. No, you were stating as fact that no one could have been vaccinated for measles in the 60s, despite the fact that the vaccination was available in 1968, which is, as far as I am aware, within the 60s. That despite the fact that at least 2 of us old fogies know we were vaccinated in 68/69.

You quibble and tell us that our anecdotal evidence is unreliable - though why you just couldn't say you think we are lying I don't know - because you can't find evidence for it on t'internet.

I have news for you, Oh Quibbly One... you are reading selectively!

You have consistently read past In 1968, a vaccine was introduced in Britain, and the number of cases began to fall steadily. and focussed on But the programme had limited take-up and as recently as 1988...

What is your benchmark? 100% take up? Or that in 1968 some schools, some health centres (many of which were brand new, in new communities, back then), started vaccination programmes.

Or does the Great God Google and his partner Wikipedia have to have chapter and verse before it becomes a reality?

"No, you were stating as fact that no one could have been vaccinated for measles in the 60s"

No I wasn't. Go back and read again. School is very specifically mentioned :) I think you may have made another mistake.

It happened in school, get over it!

Also Blanche, It's not that your anecdotal evidence is particularly unreliable but, as we've seen on this thread and others, anecdotal evidence in general is considered unreliable and people are usually shot down for using it. Unless you're now saying that anecdotal evidence is ok as long as people say that they know something for a fact? That will certainly make vaccine threads interesting!

There is a difference.
Here we have a fact ie mass campaign in 1968 (see link)
Mine and blanches annecdotal evodence back that up and add further information on how it was delivered which common sense will tell you is fesible.
Then there is annecdotal evidence that contrdicts known fact and no other evidence to back it up

I had left this thread but in case the OP or anyone interested is still reading and has the same questions as the OP, I had inadvertently opened this blog and only just gotten round to reading it. The "CDC insider admission" was, out of many things, a spliced together recording of several phone calls. violentmetaphors.com/2016/06/13/vaxxed-reviewed-what-happened-inside-the-movie/

That's only a tiny fragment of what's wrong with the movie (admission: I haven't seen it but was slightly interested by the 'cdc insider' accusations). The blog author has interviewed Wakefield and directly asks him further questions in this piece.

And in part 2, the Vaxxed team broadcasts videos of autistic young people despite them asking them not to.
violentmetaphors.com/2016/06/13/vaxxed-reviewed-what-happened-outside-of-the-movie/

You wouldn't have been getting the measles vaccine in school in the 60s as it didn't become available until 1968 and its uptake wasn't very good until 1980

Now, there are 2 of us saying we were vaccinated in school in the late 60s!

You insist that because t'internet doesn't provide you with evidence it didn't happen in schools, so facetiously I asked if you were aware that 1968 happened during the 60s!

It really doesn't matter, as you are wrong, uninformed, too young to know any better, too young to have any depth of knowledge in the subject, too you to have any experience in the matter!

That is the matter of having had measles vaccination, in school, in the late 60s!

As I said earlier, who can argue with anecdotes? :) Unless, of course, the anecdote is about a reaction to a vaccine.

Is there a yawn emoticon?

I'll leave you to our quibbling pedantry!

Actually, make that solipsistic quibbling