Lorelai Gilmore is such a bitch! *SPOILERS*

[KatnissMellark]

On maternity leave. I may have binge watched 6 series of Gilmore Girls (whilst also doing mindless prep for baby tasks, laundry, knitting, batch cooking etc, don't judge me!).

She is controlling and hypocritical as displays many of the characteristics of her parents who she claims to dislike so much, self centred, a show and treats men abominably! I find myself disliking her more and more with every episode (just hitting the bit where she cheats on Luke)

I started watching GG a couple of months ago (I say, "I", I stupidly told DH and he got hooked too, so now I can only watch it when he's around 😀). I think Lorelai can be a total bitch and sometimes, when she's ranting on DH and I yell at the screen for her to shut up.

Rory is spoilt and can be a spiteful brat. She's one of those who coasted through early school, always being told how clever she was and the wheels came off when she didn't keep up.

I have mixed feelings over Emily, she's one of my favourites (at times), but her cruel streak shows up. I want to love her, but she pushes me away - ooh, realisation, it's almost as if she's written that way.

I love Jess, but that's the long-standing thing I've got for Milo Ventimiglia.

Rory is spoilt and can be a spiteful brat. She's one of those who coasted through early school, always being told how clever she was and the wheels came off when she didn't keep up.

Rory didn't coast through school though. She worked really, really hard when she was at Chilton. She was always studying and making sure she put aside the time needed for assignments. School didn't come easily to her, she put huge amounts of effort into getting the grades she did.

She just wasn't as smart as she thought she was and even with hard work wasn't able to keep up to the standard she set for herself once she got to Yale. Once she started to fail she lost heart and stopped. She wasn't content to do respectably well at one of the best universities in the world, she wanted to excel. And when she couldn't excel no matter how hard she tried, she stopped trying. She got caught up in Logan's world of spoiled privilege where she could fool herself into thinking she was superior. Both because ordinary people were excluded from her social set while she also got to feel morally superior to the people she associated with because she hadn't been born to their privilege. Conveniently forgetting that she hadn't worked her way up in society, her mum had just rejected during her childhood, then let her grandparents slot her straight into it when she was a teen. I never liked Logan but I did enjoy him setting Rory straight on just how blue-blood privileged she was in Season 7;

LOGAN: Exactly, I mean where do you get off acting all morally superior?
RORY: That is not what I intended to say at all.
LOGAN: You clearly think you are. Why? Because you read Ironweed? ‘Cause you saw Norma Rae?
RORY: Logan…
LOGAN: Wake up Rory whether you like it or not, you’re one of us. You went to prep school. You go to Yale. Your grandparents are building a whole damn astronomy building in your name.
RORY: That is different, okay? It’s not like I live off a $5-million trust fund my parents set up for me.
LOGAN: Yeah well, you’re not exactly paying rent, either.

Yep Springer there's two or three songs per episode. Easily skippable. Didn't listen to any of them so don't know the ones you mention! Also love Tino though.

Love Logan setting Rory straight too. Only time I liked him.

asea are you watching This is Us?? Milo V is great in it!

Yes Rory is totally privileged. Which is probably why she can afford to mess up interviews, not earn and write a book and fly off to london whenever she likes in the revival. Obviously she's not a real person, but I often wonder if she'd have turned out "better" if she didn't have all those financial leg-ups. Like Lorelai, who wanted to live without it, maybe it would have brought out the best in her. (Overinvested...)

I've never heard of my Crazy ex Girlfriend! Will watch!

corporal I'm watching This is Us! Love it and Milo Whatshisface in it!

Easily skippable. Didn't listen to any of them so don't know the ones you mention! Also love Tino though.

I suppose what I mean is that while sometimes the songs in CEG are just for the sake of it being a musical, sometimes they are a large part of how we get insight into the characters. The two songs I mentioned are a great look at Greg's character from his grumpy, overly confident but deeply insecure Could if I Wanted To, the the sheer subversive delight in I Gave You a UTI that lets you see who he has the potential to be if he addresses his problems and stops making awful decisions. And Fontana's acting is fantastic in both of them. He's great at expressive acting while singing as well as just singing.

I probably would not of watched it or got invested if there was similar to watch. If you do not like the cast of criminal minds you can watch csi, ncis and quite a few more. For me, GG was similar but an adult version of Dawson's creek with little in comparable viewing.

Ah but see I didn't know that Springer as I skipped them all . I know what you mean but I just couldn't be dealing with them. I hate musicals unless I know the songs already. Maybe I'll have a look at SF's songs though!

RORY: That is different, okay? It’s not like I live off a $5-million trust fund my parents set up for me.

This line bugs me every single time. Yeah, she's not living off a trust fund her parents set up for her. But, Trix had a trust fund set up for her and so did Richard and Emily. At that point, Christopher had inherited all that money from his grandfather and was paying for Yale, he probably had something set aside for Rory, too. Even if she wasn't living off any of that money, it was there for her. It's not like she was working 40 hours a week and going to college fulltime (like I did, and lots of other people do).

When it comes down to it, Lorelei was a lot like that in my opinion. Yeah, she left the Gilmore life and got a job and worked her way up, but was she every really in danger of failing? If she lost her job was there really ever a danger that her house would get foreclosed on or she wouldn't be able to feed Rory? Richard and Emily wouldn't have let that happen, and Lorelei would have accepted the help if it was for Rory. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but her whole, "I did everything on my own," attitude kind of rankled. It's easy to take risks when there's no REAL risk involved, you know?

I've never seen My Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, but I just want to throw a shout out to Jane the Virgin. Love it.

Yeah, she left the Gilmore life and got a job and worked her way up, but was she every really in danger of failing?

Want to live like common people. Want to do what ever common people do ... but you'll never understand etc

You're right about that. However, as selfish as she can be I do think it is impressive to strike out on your own with a baby like me that at 16. No way would I have been that mature.

I thought Richard was actually very manipulative. He tricked Rory into the interview for yale, he went behind lorelai's back to get Rory to live with him when she dropped out of yale. He continually tried to get luke to franchise the diner when he didn't want to, even after he died he was still trying, and he screwed over his business partner (lorelai's boyfriend, can't remember his name).

urban - oh yeah poor Jason (Digger)! I forgot about that.

I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this ...

Do you think Lorelei is the way she is because she effectively got 'frozen' as a rebellious 16 year old? It's something I've noticed with a few very young mums I know irl. You're generally in the most selfish years of your life during your teens, and your natural progression/maturing just gets kind of paused because you're busy taking care of a baby. I'm not saying all teen mums are horrid selfish immature people!! Just that they do seem to have some sort of commonality in their behaviour.

Certainly Lorelai's relationship with her parents was frozen. I can understand why she needed to move out of the Gilmore house in order to be Rory's mother but the didn't deserve to be so completely cut out. The mature thing to do after moving out of their house would have been to lay down some firm boundaries with her parents. Arrange to meet them on neutral territory every week/month. Let them continue a relationship with their granddaughter but be firm any time they over-stepped. End any meeting where they won't accept her authority over her life and Rory, walk out and say 'lets try this again next week.' Make them see that she had adapted to being thrust into adulthood by allowing them a window into her life.

It would have allowed all three of them to form parent to adult-child relationships that never fully seemed to develop between them. It would have softened Lorelai's resentment of them and have never resulted in the absolute heartbreak that Emily and Richard endured by losing both girls from their lives for so long. In time they would probably have offered Lorelai financial help without strings, they would probably have bought the veritable mansion she and Rory call the Crap Shack. They would probably have paid for Rory's schooling from early on. Rory would have avoided the overwhelming change in social status she experienced at a tumultuous age. To go from living in a shed until she was 11 to being thrust into an elite school and high society debutante balls five years later, given with strings and always aware of how her mother resented those strings, can only have messed her up.

Oh come on! Richard said very clearlt he was heartbroken and humiliated by Lorelai getting pregnant and not going to an Ivy League College. It wasnt her moving out with Rory that broke his heart.

Oh come on! Richard said very clearlt he was heartbroken and humiliated by Lorelai getting pregnant and not going to an Ivy League College. It wasnt her moving out with Rory that broke his heart.

He was embarrassed by her pregnancy, he was heartbroken when she took Rory out of their lives. Richard and Emily made that clear to Lorelai over and over and over again throughout the show. We know Emily was so devastated she couldn't get out of bed for months after Lorelai left and we saw her heartbreak when she spoke to Maya about Rory as a baby along with her gratitude towards Maya for sending her some few photos of young Rory. Their pain at missing Rory's childhood is palpable through the first two series, especially Emily's. And Kelly Bishop played a blinder in those scenes, her whole body conveys Emily's devastation when she remembers what she has lost.

The senior Gilmores weren't without some responsibility for how things played out. They both had clear faults that made Lorelai right to move out but the way she cut them off was unnecessarily cruel. I don't think Emily ever truly recovered from it and the more I think about the revival, the more I think it played it's part in shaping the very unlikable woman Rory became.

oh yeah poor Jason (Digger)! I forgot about that.

That was bad but I never took to Digger as a boyfriend. In fact, I was convinced he was gay!

I googled this theory as he's camp as Christmas but nobody else was talking about it, which made me feel like I was going mad as I couldn't see past it!

I agree that lorelai was 'frozen' as a 16 year old and I think that as Rory was acting as the adult in their relationship as well as working so hard to do well at school, that when she got to college, she floundered. She had no one to be responsible for, and lost her focus, hung around with the life or death brigade and became a sort of maternal figure to the boys (notice how the girls in the life or death brigade were never seen after the first escapade), essentially she's becoming emily, she just wants to feel needed. The town goes on without her, lorelai has luke, lanes married with kids, she's still lost in the revival episodes.

I've just binged watched the 7 series, then the year in the life one.

I don't think there's a single character (Lane excepted) that's 100% likeable. There's traits in them all that make them appealing just as much as there are traits that a highly unlikable.

Most irksome storyline was when the writers thought making Lane's new marriage sexless. So ridiculous- I was hoping that it'd be made clear that she was in a contented relationship with David (?).

Can anyone help me out as to telling me why Rory looks different I can't put my finger on it. Not sure if it was her hair or her eyes, maybe she's had Botox? But she just looks so different in the new series.

Tizzy, you're right Alexis Bledel (sp?) did look different! I mean, I know she's in her thirties now rather than a teen of course! She'd had a baby just a few months before they started filming, I believe.

Yeah I loved Lane. I wanted so much more for her than to run the antiques shop and be married to Zach!

I loved Logan in the series, I thought he was perfect for Rory and honestly wanted the best for her, now thought after ayitl I'm team jess all the way. He will stand by Rory and the baby no questions asked.

I did really miss Richard from the new episodes, I loved the way he tried to keep the 3 generations of women from killing each other while sipping his whiskey.

I hated dean, far too whiney and just and a dweeb, no way would he be able to keep up with a Rory lifestyle. I do agree with other posters, there was not one character in the whole show that I can say I loved 100%, I liked lorelai's outlook on life that 'let's go do something fun' thing.

Not sure if it was her hair or her eyes, maybe she's had Botox? But she just looks so different in the new series.

She was extremely thin in the revival and it gave her a newborn deer look while also making her look older than mid-30s. An odd combination. It may well have been a result of filming shortly after having a baby. Some women drop an awful lot of weight after giving birth (especially if they are breastfeeding). And between the weightloss and possibly tiredness if her baby isn't a great sleeper, it combined to make her look jaded while she was having to play quite a perky character.

Apparently Alexis Bledel had a nose job, hence why she looks so different. I didn't notice that, I thought she looked quite drawn and too thin, but if she'd just had a baby she was probably exhausted, which explains that.

If she were my friend I would ask her if she was OK

Completely off topic, but last night I watched the end of Dirty Dancing.
Kelly Bishop who played Emily Gilmore was also Baby's mum.

You know when you know someone from somewhere but can't make the connection? Found it