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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 20/02/2017 08:40

No worries. It made me reflect in the efforts we go to is all.

Lweji · 20/02/2017 08:42

integration is a challenge

As it would be expected. But it's quite different acknowledging the issues and working to solve them, and blaming refugees or migrants for everything that's wrong or simply not accept any at all.

woman12345 · 20/02/2017 08:44

Attacking compassion. Merkel's heart melted after a refugee girl pleaded to stay, then the open door policy, then the activating of alt right in Europe.
Attacking compassion is another aspect of totalitarianism.

If it can't be monetised, get rid.

Lweji · 20/02/2017 08:50

The problem with the current alt-right et al is that issues relating to immigration can't be discussed because raising any issues will just be used to beat immigrants with it.

Or the government will be accused of masking even bigger issues.

GingerIvy · 20/02/2017 08:54

I have seen people tweeting that if Trump takes his "intelligence briefings" from Fox News, then Fox News should be deemed as classified intel and not broadcast. Grin

Lweji · 20/02/2017 08:58

Fox being classified. Grin

Isn't most "intel" these days mostly from widely known data, but analysed by specialists?
The problem here is that the "specialists" are Fox. And give soundbites rather than a well thought out analysis, considering all points of view.

woman12345 · 20/02/2017 08:59

Fox news Grin ginger

Trump/Bannon define truth and sanity as psychiatry is weaponised.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-psychiatric-association-stop-analysing-donald-trump-warning-a7588751.html

Destinysdaughter · 20/02/2017 09:05

Interesting article on "populist correctness"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain

Destinysdaughter · 20/02/2017 09:09

Michael Moore has just launched this resistance calendar, showing all the anti Trump activities going on

www.resistancecalendar.org

Destinysdaughter · 20/02/2017 09:13

This t shirt is chilling Shock

Ami. Making Mumsnet great again. Trump cont
Lweji · 20/02/2017 09:16

I wonder how long Mattis is going to last.

CNN breaking news:
"Defense Secretary James Mattis insists US will not ‘seize anyone’s oil’ in Iraq, despite recent statements by President Trump"

Tillerson has also been very quiet. Or at least discreet. I hope he has his firefighting gear on. He'll need to put many international diplomacy fires out.

OrraBoralis · 20/02/2017 09:50

He keeps saying 306 Electoral College votes, when I Google I can only find 304. Am I missing 2 votes or has he said 306 and in the shit storm that is the Trump the 2 votes are just his imagination

cozietoesie · 20/02/2017 09:50

Not long, potentially, after saying that, I would have thought.

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 09:52

He keeps saying 306 Electoral College votes, when I Google I can only find 304

2 people who were elected to the college to vote for him didn't vote for him.

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LatinForTelly · 20/02/2017 10:37

When I look at his words, 'you look at what's happening last night in Sweden' I think it suggests that his thinking is more than normally muddled. I wonder if what was in his head was 'last night I was looking at what has been happening in Sweden' and he was unable to articulate that without muddling it (leaving aside the idiocy of using a Fox News report to understand potential immigration issues etc). I think that shows a worrying level of confusion.

Also, on the US and immigration generally, I am still open-mouthed at the disconnect between Trump and his followers' focus on potential violence from immigrants who might be 'terrorists' when their social problems and levels of violence seem so extensive, purely within their current population.

Do they not understand the gun-crime figures? Do they just accept them as inevitable?

Roussette · 20/02/2017 10:42

I think we have to keep fingers crossed that Mattis and Tillerson hang on in there... aren't they the voice of reason somewhat?

DT so obviously did not write that tweet - it's actually coherent. His aides must spend their whole time managing damage control.

I am so loving all the Swedish pics, comments and cartoons...

"Look Donald, we've all gotten lost in an IKEA and couldn't figure out where the exit is...but calling it the #SwedenIncident is a bit much"

peaceout · 20/02/2017 10:45

Pro gun people believe that any gun problems can only be addressed with more guns
It's as if gun ownership is a fact of human nature

cozietoesie · 20/02/2017 10:48

There are at least some Americans who don't see guns as nasty blue-black snub nosed metal things in people's hands (or as automatics which are adjuncts to meth deals) but as walnut or rosewood-stocked long rifles which are taken out by men to do manly things in the hills.

originalbiglymavis · 20/02/2017 10:49

No bigger guns and more bullets!

Roussette · 20/02/2017 10:50

Do they not understand the gun-crime figures? Do they just accept them as inevitable?

Far easier to blame those pesky furriners flooding into their country.

cozietoesie · 20/02/2017 10:51

Sorry - posted too soon. You would not be fighting actuality, you would be fighting 'myth' and some people's idea of very self. Myth is a powerful adversary.

merrymouse · 20/02/2017 10:51

As far as I can see nobody in the US is seriously trying to ban guns - just increase gun controls and limit the kinds of guns available to ordinary citizens.

It's mystifying that people are so concerned about vetting refugees but not potential gun owners.

Lweji · 20/02/2017 10:51

About Tillerson:

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tillerson-idUSKBN15Y0Y6

Out of the loop, or in close coordination with the President?

"The veteran oil executive also made a good impression on his first foreign trip to a Group of 20 summit in Bonn, Germany, last week. Four senior diplomats who met him told Reuters they were relieved to find that he was pragmatic and open to dialogue.
Yet a key concern for U.S. diplomats is how effective his team can be in shaping foreign policy in the new administration. Just two State Department positions of 116 key posts requiring executive branch nomination have been filled, [...]
For example, Tillerson still has no deputy after Trump rejected his top choice, Elliott Abrams."

"On one recent matter of longstanding U.S. foreign policy, Tillerson appeared to be sidelined.
On Feb. 14, while Tillerson was at a dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a State Department dining room, news headlines emerged suggesting the United States was backing away from supporting a two-state solution for Israelis and Palestinians.
[...]
It was unclear whether Tillerson had been left out of the loop deliberately or by accident, said two officials."

Lweji · 20/02/2017 10:59

They actually deleted the tweet about leaving for the rally. Why?

Funny answer to the "explanation"

Keegan Stephan ‏*@KeeganNYC* 11 h
Keegan Stephan retweeted Donald J. Trump
this honestly seems too perfect to be real. was @realDonaldTrump hacked?