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AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2017 02:18

Thanks for the compliment cozie.

I think RR sat and watched movies because he was beginning to feel the effects of the early onset of his Alzheimer's. My mum has dementia and, looking back, there were 'differences' in her behaviour well before she started showing signs of problems in her cognition. Not negative differences, just that sometimes we'd think 'Huh, that's not like Mum' when she'd say or do something out of the ordinary. And RR, like most of our presidents, had a knack for picking good advisors. I can't say the same thing for Scrotus.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 20/02/2017 07:15

I like the ebb and flow of these threads. Scrotus is sleeping, so the incendiary tweets slow/stall for a bit. We Brits are busy with our morning ablutions & preparing for the day ahead, but we'll get cracking with rounding up yesterday's links and today's commentary shortly. Then roundabout lunchtime the US comes back online & that sees us through to bedtime nicely, with Across, Seneca, Saffron & our other US/antipodean posters bringing up the rear & covering the night shift. It's almost rolling 24hr Scrotus coverage and analysis. Grin

originalbiglymavis · 20/02/2017 07:19

Scrotus watch.
Like spring watch but scary.

CussingQuim · 20/02/2017 07:21

New thread name right there Grin

Morning all, let's see what fresh hell today brings in Trumptonia.

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:23

Unfortunately I think it suits him to be unclear and as vague as possible, because then he or his minions can say "oh, no, we meant this actually

It's not the first time they've used that excuse - but words matter. Jobs and lives can be INSTANTLY affected by his tweets and his words.

Some words can't be undone.

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amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:25

I worry that he may not understand the difference between Iran and Iraq

Iran got that covered:

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amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:33

Embassy of Sweden US ‏*@SwedeninUSA* 8h8 hours ago
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Embassy of Sweden US Retweeted Donald J. Trump
We look forward to informing the US administration about Swedish immigration and integration policies.

I wonder if Trump will meet them - after he's met with black groups, LGBT groups, women's groups

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TheClaws · 20/02/2017 07:39

Agree Illegitimate. The combined coverage here is the best. We discuss and debate a bit, too. I can take comfort knowing that I'm not missing anything as someone's always on the thread and posting. Thanks again to everyone Flowers

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:47

Trump didn't tweet yesterday - that was definitely someone else on his behalf.

So it's Monday. I hope that someone somewhere is telling him to be careful about Sweden - as he's going to piss off Sweden, Germany and France soon if he goes down the route I think he wants to.

I hope he understands that - the USA has to work with other countries and the population in these countries are not going to accept such an attitude towards them.

Look at the reaction Fox News got

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/18/fox-news-corrects-apologizes-for-no-go-zone-remarks

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hopskip123 · 20/02/2017 07:47

Has anyone seen how the Guardian has reported this?? Headline is ...... JeSuisIkea GrinGrinGrinGrin. That has totally made my morning.

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:53

I just hope someone with credibility is able to challenge Trump on this. He has - and I wonder if it's deliberate or just a mistake - got the 'issue' in Sweden to the front.

Sweden has taken in a lot of refugees.
There has been no terrorist attacks that have killed Swedes.
Then there's the discussion to be had over the alleged other effects - and that's a discussion that's been had on MN after Cologne.

But in this world, it's very hard to have a discussion. Views are entrenched.

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amispartacus · 20/02/2017 07:55

Washington Post

Sweden took in more refugees per capita than any other country in Europe at the height of the migrant influx in 2015. The country has long viewed itself as having a moral obligation to take in refugees from war-torn countries. But Sweden reached its limits as other European Union neighbors refused to fulfill their commitments.

The influx of refugees has not come without problems in Sweden, but mainstream politicians and immigration experts say the criticism has been disproportionate. In summer 2016, Swedish embassies were tasked to counter rumors or false information about Sweden's experience with taking in large numbers of immigrants

Speaking Friday, one day before Trump made his remarks, Henrik Selin of the Swedish Institute said there are “people whose political agenda suggests they would like to tell the story of countries not being able to receive that many refugees, who seem to want to exaggerate problems,” according to Radio Sweden.

Although Sweden views itself as increasingly isolated in regard to its pro-immigration stance, the country found widespread support on social media Sunday. “Dear @realDonaldTrump,” Alexander Stubb, a former prime minister of Finland, tweeted. “Sweden is immigration friendly, international & liberal. One of the most prosperous, richest, safest places on earth.”

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amispartacus · 20/02/2017 08:00

Interesting article on Trump supporters

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-supporters-see-a-successful-president--and-are-frustrated-with-critics-who-dont/2017/02/19/496cb4b4-f6ca-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html

Melani, for example, gets most of her news from talk radio — “I listen to Herman Cain on my way into work, I have Sean [Hannity] on my way home,” she said — and Fox News.

She and her husband were well-versed on hold-ups with the president’s Cabinet nominees and legal arguments for the now-frozen travel ban. But they didn’t know much about the resignation of Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn on Monday amid accusations that he improperly discussed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador — and then withheld that information from Vice President Pence and other top officials.

“See, don’t question me on that because I haven’t really been watching and listening too much on it,” Melani said. “I think he kind of did it just to step away, a trust kind of a thing. And now, of course, they want to pull a big investigation and all of this stuff. And to be honest with you, I really think it’s only because of the way the haters are out there. That’s what I really think it is.”

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hopskip123 · 20/02/2017 08:03

I am more and more concerned that Trump will either: restrict rights of US newspapers, restrict right of US citizens to protest, destabilise Europe by inciting migrant hatred, trigger a serious terrorist incident or assassination attempt. ISIS must have thrown street parties when Trump was elected.

Destinysdaughter · 20/02/2017 08:03

'hello, it's not been on mumsnet, so it's probably not real'.

Love how we are the arbiters of truth! Smile

MsHooliesCardigan · 20/02/2017 08:10

I think that, as a show of solidarity with the Swedish 'victims', we should all dress up as ABBA and congregate at our local IKEA. That's what I'm doing anyway.

woman12345 · 20/02/2017 08:12

How do you restrict the media when it's longer national, like trade, culture everything.

ami he speaks straight, he's a victim, he's 'flawed' ,he eats junk food, he's not 'educated'. What's not to like.

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 08:13

'hello, it's not been on mumsnet, so it's probably not real

TBF - there have been a LOT of discussions on refugees and the effect on native populations on here.

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hopskip123 · 20/02/2017 08:14

I would imagine you craft a new executive order of some sort? Like dictators in other countries.

amispartacus · 20/02/2017 08:24

Simple question to Spicer:

Should the President believe everything he is being told on Fox news and then repeat it at a rally?

Or should he fact check things first?

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Lweji · 20/02/2017 08:26

In the Guardian article:

"In fact, the most pressing issue in Sweden at the moment is apparently who will become the nation’s Eurovision entrant"

If he had mentioned the migration report, he could have used it to make a point that migration was bad.
And he could have said it was on Fox.
As it was, it seemed like a well known even that everyone had watched. Still weirs. But I'm sure they'll think we all bought it.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 20/02/2017 08:27

I know you'rre joking Destiny but I have been (correctly) pulled up for posting unsubstantiated content & we have posters who do us a great service by monitoring right wing/pro Trump sources to understand other POV. I know we can't be everywhere, but we are at least trying.

merrymouse · 20/02/2017 08:33

What actually happened in Sweden on Friday night was that many refugees went to sleep knowing that they had a roof over their heads that wouldn't be bombed.

Destinysdaughter · 20/02/2017 08:37

'hello, it's not been on mumsnet, so it's probably not real'.

That wasn't meant to be sarcastic by the way, I thought it was great!

Caprianna · 20/02/2017 08:39

To be fair, Sweden do have brewing problems after taking in so many refugee to a relatively small country and integration is a challenge. Trump's contribution is of course not helpful at all.