To really wish someone other than Tony Blair had asked us to rise up against brexit?

[DeviTheGaelet]

Can't see a thread about this. And yes I know there is a brexit topic but I wanted to post in AIBU to see what people thought. If you don't want to read about brexit and have no opinion click away now.
Tony Blair is urging remainers to rise up against brexit because we didn't know what we were voting for and it's going to be disastrous for the country.
I totally agree it's a disaster and I think it's shocking we can plunge into the unknown when only just over 50% of voters voted for it in an advisory referendum with a campaign based on lies. I've been desperate for a political party to get behind on a remain ticket.
But why the fuck does it have to be Tony Blair, the man who totally ignored strong public feeling on Iraq who says this? Where are the opposition in parliament?

Which bit of it is utter fucking bollocks, TSS?
I'm not a big fan of Blair, but that comment seems reasonable.

I genuinely believe brexit will work if people like Blair shut the fuck up with the uncertainty and we make it work. Uncertainty will destroy Britain. Not brexit

Well, that will certainly be a very convenient and comforting refrain for the leavers when it all goes wrong, won't it? No "mea culpa, we got it wrong" from them. Oh no. We will no doubt be told that it could have worked, that it could have been amazing, if only those bloody remoaners hadn't kept going on about the risks...

Yep the failure of Brexit will be the fault of the remoaners and the pesky Europeans.

@scaryteacher has it right. He's up to something and he can never return to front line politics in Britain.
After the Beckham knighthood debacle it's quite telling that Blair has not been knighted.

Oh yes, I forgot that the Europeans will have to take a share of the blame too. No doubt their dreadful behaviour towards us will merely highlight how wise we were to escape their clutches.

Even if it cripples our economy and ruins lives in the process.

I imagine that the impact of Brexit will be the fault of everyone except those who actually voted for it. Naturally.

Start to finish.

If Tony Blair pushes his egotistical money grabbing self to be some sort of figure head for people who want to remain he will make them a laughing stock and ruin anything they want to actually say. As someone who voted leave even I wouldn't want that for them. Plus TB is not even worthy of being called a cunt.

Glad I didn't see it. The man's face makes me angry.

Totally agree with OP, great idea, sorry it's Blair. I think if we re-ran the vote lots of people would switch sides, they know they were conned by Farage and the rest.
Also a lot more young people would actually get to the polling station.

I wouldn't switch sides. That is quite a wild assumption in the hopes you would get your preferred result next time.

I am drunk but here's my two penneth. I despise Blair for Iraq and I know he will always be tainted by that. However, he did do a lot of good things - he put loads of money into the NHS, he brought in the minimum wage, he started Sure Start centres and he massively increased maternity leave. If,like me, you believe that the hard Brexit that TM is hell bent on is going to be catastrophic for this country and for our children, then you are entitled to 'moan' and 'whinge' as much as you fucking well like. The last time I checked, we still had the right to free speech in this country.
As I said, I have issues with TB. But, if he's the only person who's prepared to make a stand against the car crash that is TM's hard Brexit, I'll take my chances with him. I don't see how he could possibly make things any worse.

I'm actually a lot more sympathetic to nu-labour as a whole after the shambles that is the current parliament. The tories are running amok while labour just leave them to it. It's so odd. I want some adults to come and sort it out.

corbyn is a selfless genius now I have heard it all on MN!

He is a brexiteer. he always has been. his natural tendancy is to vote against the Labour line.

I love that I come back to the thread and read pages about the stupid brexiteers who just needed to have things explained to them and they would have understood and voted remain. we are all right wing racists with no brains. Really, this sort of abuse is getting a bit bloody tiresome.

people wouldn't vote differently if you had the revote tomorrow or the year after or whenever. some remainers would switch sides too. those that actually believe in the sacred nature of democracy.

Whats Blairs real game? if you aren't old enough to remember go and have a look at Shirley and the Social democrats breakaway group. that's Blair, right there, leading a breakaway from the labour party.

He isn't going to get the power he wanted as an EU commissioner so he is sniffing it out closer to home.

My basic position is if Blair, Clegg, Campbell and Mandelson don't like something I'm already pretty sold on the opposite position. Given the choice of believing those 4 or Kate Hoey, Gisela Stewart I know who I trust.
The guy is a lying, snake oil salesman. Pretty honest kind of guy, he wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit him on the arse.

Most of the problems in the NHS come from Brown/Blair. PFI. Build one hospital pay for 6. Still paying over and over. Most trusts wouldn't be in deficit if they weren't toed in to crippling finance deals for 30 years.

As for lies on the referendum Cameron and Osborne said we'd leave the single market and the customs union. They said it was binding. They said we'd all be 4K a year worst off. They said unemployment would skyrocket the day after we voted to leave. Leavers knew all this and still voted leave.
Leave did lie about the 350m they didn't need too though I think the true figure is around 200m still a colossal amount. If they'd put that figure on the bus remainers couldn't use it as a smokescreen.

YANBU!
This was the problem I had with a lot of the politicians, businesspeople and celebs who came out in support of Remain during the brexit vote. With a lot of them I just thought "People such as you are the reason why so many will vote for Leave". So annoying, and I was a Remainer, still am and think the whole Leaving thing was/is not well thought out. But with people like Tony Blair coming to tell us that we absolutely must not Leave then part of me is thinking well actually perhaps we should Leave.

Blair is bonkers and the remoaners are very welcome to him. I think he is after the job of next Lib Dem leader. They are also welcome to him.

As a "leave" voter I find his opinion annoying because I believe we had a fair outcome of a referendum. The people voted to leave. He should respect the people, although he never has before....
I actually regret the way I voted in this referendum because it seems that the majority of "my side" voted with one topic in mind: immigration. Now a lot of leavers think it's ok to share racist views because obviously all leave voters think the same.
The whole thing was one big joke. We should never have been able to vote on this subject. Lies told on both sides, stirred by biased media has peddled us into this message. What comes next? More chaos at the general election when no one can take any of the "main political parties" seriously....Watch UKIP have an increase in votes.

Honestly, if the vote had gone the other way, would all of you that want a second referendum of agreed to another if the leave side called for it? I truly don't believe most of you would and that's the most shameful part.

Some people are putting forth silly reasons for wanting to have a second go at it, and honestly it's quite condescending that the main reason being is because you believe the other side was that stupid that they couldn't think for themselves. To believe yourself smarter than someone else just because you disagree with them says more about yourself than them.

There is no other way to decide who wins than by a majority, whether that be by one or millions, otherwise nothing would ever get decided. If that was the case what would we do then? Stick with the status quo? How exactly would that be any fairer? Keep on going round in circles until one side can bully the other into voting like themselves? Despite some saying they would accept a leave vote if it happened a second time, what about those that wouldn't? Who gets to decide how many times we can revote if we are ever allowed a second just in the hopes of overriding the first? Where is the line if not the first time...

You cannot know if staying would of been the right or wrong option just as you cannot know if leaving will end up being the right or wrong option. All anyone can do is vote based on their beliefs of what they think is best and accept that in this country, a small majority wins.

I did not vote to leave but if there was ever to be another vote within this generation to override what the majority chose, I would vote to leave based on principle. You don't, or at least shouldn't, be able to change what was decided because you didn't get your way and I would hope that anyone else with a hint of integrity would also.

Let's not let this become a self fulfilled prophecy of doom because if leaving fails, I believe that will be the reason why, not the leaving itself.

I think Blair has binge watched the last season of Borgen on an endless loop for the last 3 years and sees Brexit as his chance to found his version of the Nye Demokrater.

He was talking about a cross border centre left "movement" before Christmas. Brexit is his "Roast Pork" opportunity.

He's still got half an eye on a European presidency of some sort...maybe after his Rise movement sorts out the democratic deficit inherent in the current EU structure.

Totally agree OP and whoever called him a cockwomble. Pro-remainers need a positive figurehead and it isn't Blair.

I dont think it will particularly help the remain cause to have him advocating it-that's for sure.
Why does he think anyone is interested in his opinion? Ugh.

I agree with you cardibach. Corbyn delivered the largest proportion of remain voters of any party and failed no-one. He has always been very clear that he is an EU sceptic and that he believed the UK should remain and try and change things from within. I personally decided to vote Remain primarily based on his measured and considered message that we were on the whole better off in.
But the majority voted out and now the will of the people must be done. If you believe this is wrong well blame the bloody Tories and stupid smug Cameron who resigned with his tail between his legs but moved very easily into a comfortable and well paid public speaking role and bank directorship. Prick.
All those saying well Corbyn should do something, what exactly are they hoping for? There won't be another referendum. That time has passed, thanks to Cameron. Oh and the lies of Farage [friend to Trump] and our esteemed foreign secretary Bo Jo.

It does annoy me when people say we should never have been asked this question. Seriously, who else could you trust to make the decision on our behalf? Many of our leading politicians have proven themselves repeatedly to be self serving and dishonest - from involvement in Iraq to expenses scandals. They fail to stand by their own election pledges - I had high hopes for Clegg and look how that turned out. Do you honestly trust them to decide this with our best interests at heart, regardless of which way you voted.
Diane Abbott cba to even turn up the last time Parliament asked her opinion on Brexit! Shameful behaviour and Corbyn should locate his balls and sack her. But he won't/can't because he has no support elsewhere.