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I had a million thread titles to choose from....

Something I've been thinking about lately - one of the issues with the Presidency in the US is the partisanship. In Finland, when someone becomes President they have to renounce Party membership and be neutral. Makes for a more balanced Executive. Also they should really cut down the power of the US President.

May wouldn't be making arsehold signs continually either. Or pointing. Or making aides stand up for a round of applause. He treats press conferences and rallies much the same. Like a TV show.

He's on his unsafe old android phone again with this tweet...

"Stock market hits new high with longest winning streak in decades. Great level of confidence and optimism - even before tax plan rollout!"

Nothing to do with the upward trend in the previous 8 years then you fat idiot. I don't suppose those without healthcare are interested in the Dow Jones. Still.... there's a bright side..his billionaires in his very own swamp will be pleased.

Many people confuse psychopathy with psychosis
Those in the grip of a florid psychosis are deluded, out of touch with reality, manic or schizophrenic
'Florid' is not a term usually applied to the psychopathic, these are people who lack empathy, who are ruthess

I have wondered whether Trump shows psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies, so I looked up the difference between the two.

The following article is interesting as I do think he ticks a lot of boxes on both sides:

www.medicaldaily.com/whats-difference-between-sociopath-and-psychopath-not-much-one-might-kill-you-270694

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I found this an interesting read...Bo Shao considers the long term effects of the trump reign:
'The President of the United States not only decides policy but is expected to provide moral leadership. Whether he — or his tweets — stands for the compassionate side of human nature, or something darker, affects all of us in profound ways.
Policies can be changed or reversed, but cultural shifts are much longer lasting.
Unfortunately, just like in Star Wars, the Dark Side often has more immediate appeal, and when it comes into a position of power, a massive shift can occur and undo decades or even centuries of progress'

What constitutes a personality disorder is a massive grey area.

The DSM-V criteria for diagnosis of a personality disorder includes the condition: "The enduring pattern [of behaviour] leads to clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

By that definition happy and successfully functioning people like Trump are not considered to have a disorder. But not everyone agrees on that.

It's hard to imagine that trump could grip America in the way that Mao gripped China, the starting points of the two cultures are so different

I agree there is a big difference between having a rally during and after a campaign.

Not only that, it might make sense to have a rally a year, even 6 months, into a Presidency. Not 4 weeks.

By that definition happy and successfully functioning people like Trump are not considered to have a disorder.

But what if it affects people around them?

Is he really successfully functioning?

I've worked in psychiatry a long time and there is a huge amount of subjectivity and unconscious bias in diagnosing mental health conditions. I've had patients who have been diagnosed by our team psychiatrist with a personality disorder, they get admitted and the inpatient doctor changes the diagnosis to Bi-Polar, they get discharged to the home treatment team and the diagnosis then gets changed to something else. I worked with one doctor whose research interest was OCD who concluded that about 90% of patients he met had OCD because he was unconsciously looking for it.
I think that a lot of people with NPD and sociopathy are not 'distressed' by their condition in the way that someone with severe anxiety or psychosis is distressed but I think nearly all of them are deeply unhappy and, in the case of NPD, extremely insecure, hence their need to keep telling everyone how great they are and their need for constant ego stroking. People who are secure in themselves don't need that and they don't go ballistic at the merest hint of criticism.
And I agree that him being born into massive wealth has cushioned him. Can you imagine anyone employing with him?

For Roussette

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cozie Oh my! That was hilarious and the voice and likeness was uncanny! Thank you!

Is our best hope for the moment in a hope for a complete break from reality from him in a very public forum, like on TV perhaps??

I'm sorry, Ginger, but just how would that differ from his current and past behaviour?

Well, true but I mean something completely in-ignorable. You know, like leaping over a table and grabbing someone or just clucking like a chicken or something completely unexplainable. 😆

"True, but psychopathy is not a mental illness, more an extreme personality type"

It's regarded as a personality disorder, surely? Just as narcissistic personality disorder is a personality disorder.

It's regarded as a personality disorder, surely? Just as narcissistic personality disorder is a personality disorder
well yes, and 'extreme personality type' is pretty much a synonym for personality disorder

however, personality disorder and mental illness are not generally regarded to be synonymous
ergo 'psychopathy is not a mental illness'

Pulitzer-winner @LeonardPittsJr1 eviscerates Trump: 'Who the hell do you think you are?' huff.to/2lkheL7

of course these are all 'fuzzy' categories and there is much debate and disagreement

Is our best hope for the moment in a hope for a complete break from reality from him in a very public forum, like on TV perhaps??

That would be psychosis, which is completely different from psychopathy. I'm not aware of any suggestion that Trump has ever been psychotic.

peaceout: "however, personality disorder and mental illness are not generally regarded to be synonymous
ergo 'psychopathy is not a mental illness'"

But in that case, there should be no problem with psychologists or psychiatrists diagnosing either psychopathy or narcissistic personality disorder, should there? Because according to you, they're not mental illnesses.

To quote from the Allen Frances letter to the New York Times:

"I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder."

Unlike you, Frances seems to regard the terms "mental disorder" and "mental illness" as synonymous.

I think of personality disorders as mental disorders rather than mental illness although I agree it's very fuzzy. Mental illnesses like depression, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are more like physical illnesses in that they tend to follow a lapsing/remitting course and respond well to medication.
Personality disorders are fairly constant. They don't generally respond to medication but some can be helped by talking treatments.

I know what it is. That is not what I said. I said that if he had a complete break from reality publicly then people would be demanding Pence take over. And I think there'd be a few people pence would dump.

I'm not really sure what what point it is you are trying to make Hackmum?

I doubt we'll successfully plumb the Q of "are clinically diagnosed personality disorders, mental illness" on this thread, given it's an area of contention within a discipline infamous for fuzziness.

But I reckon we can all agree that the orange one behaves in a highly narcissistic manner.

And that recognising the narcissistic pattern gives us useful insight into his behaviour even if it just warns us to run for the hills.

all round.