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To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

956 replies

20nil · 11/02/2017 21:43

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/02/2017 14:31

Those with the constant JC and his friends trope here you go

static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/04/02/20/Pg-26-sinking-reu.jpg

cowgirlsareforever · 12/02/2017 14:33

Total rubbish Slarti His ego is keeping him in the job. If he really cared about the working-classes he would spend more time in vulnerable constituencies like Stoke and Leigh.
Fwiw I don't have Facebook.

Lalsy · 12/02/2017 14:33

Agree, birds. Telling people they are deluded, mad or lazy will not convince them either. We need to win back people who voted Labour in 2015 - and more - to have a chance.

I was interested, and encouraged, to see that Owen Jones said he wasn't supporting the Saturday Trump protest a week ago because it was organised by the SWP (because of the cover-up of the rape allegations), and he seems to be building a different sort of coalition. I wondered if this could be the start of something for the left - a decontamination process of some sort??? Dunno.

Slarti · 12/02/2017 14:34

Exactly Just - you'd do well to find a murderous dictator that the Tories haven't cosied up to. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Slarti · 12/02/2017 14:36

cowgirls Next you'll be telling me the Tories are the party who cares about the working class Grin

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20nil · 12/02/2017 14:40

Of course I agree that Theresa May is worse, but that's not the point is it? The point of leadership is leading . Part of leading is knowing your limitations, no matter how many people wish you were good at the job.

This doesn't mean I don't agree with many of his ideas by the way. But there really is no evidence that he's capable of selling those ideas to anyone beyond his close circle. In the meantime, the Tories run riot.

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Lalsy · 12/02/2017 14:41

As I said below, I expect the Tories to be bad, mean and incompetent - and I protest and object to their excesses. I want the party that I belong to and vote for to be better. That is not hypocrisy.

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20nil · 12/02/2017 14:42

What hypocrisy? Don't you think we know the hideous company Tories have kept? Do two wrongs make a right?

I don't have facebook either, or twitter by the way.

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tobee · 12/02/2017 14:44

It's depressing, and very telling, that the pro-Corbyn people on this thread are unbelievably patronising, and also totally fail to understand (or care) that the Labour Party needs to be and historically has been a broad church. That's when it can be a credible future government. It embarrassing that it can't even be a credible opposition at the moment. Corbyn reflects this lack of ability to unite and lead. He's not a decent man. If he was, he wouldn't have stood in the first place.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/02/2017 14:46

He's not a decent man. If he was, he wouldn't have stood in the first place.

Um, what? Hmm

cowgirlsareforever · 12/02/2017 14:50

Slarti No.I fucking will not. The Tories have neglected the places I have called home for decades.

tobee · 12/02/2017 14:50

As leader, Just. He's not interested in being a leader. Or for anything that stands for.

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:03

Will you be won over by Starmer's patrician jawline and sassy quiff?

And already we have criticism of how someone looks and not their performance. Starmer is not a conviction politician, unlike Corbyn, but has worked in areas outside of the bubble of Westminster. Yet, all that matters are his looks? Shallow observations just mean you have a shallow opinion of politics.

Heaven help him if he's caught eating a bacon buttie. That'll be the end of him.

Boulshired · 12/02/2017 15:04

JC and Brexit is just showing how divided the Labour Party is and what is happening was always going to happen. All this broad church crap when they cannot even agree on a hymn book is useless. Emily thornberry and tom Watson should not be in the same party but they are and in some ways representing how different and divided labour support has become with the working class voice getting quieter.

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:07

Yes, the Tory party is a party for the very wealthy and the bigots (though UKIP stole their thunder somewhat, same in some Labour held areas - wasn't Brown right?). However, this discussion, which should remain on topic is about Corbyn and his leadership. He's a gift that keeps on giving to the right wing media and the Tory Party. As for what those who wish to see effective opposition, as usual, crumbs from the table.

Corbyn should hang his head in shame!

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:09

Emily Thornberry is a yes woman and extremely ambitious to boot. Fair play to her, she has progressed. She's as intelligent as any other MP.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/02/2017 15:14

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tobee · 12/02/2017 15:16

Why, exactly, is the idea of Labour being a broad church crap? Why shouldn't Tom Watson and Emily Thornberry be in the same party? What, exactly, are you aiming for, Boulshired? Some sort of tiny schism of a party that just fits your precise point of view? Your demographic? What's the point of that?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/02/2017 15:16

Making that shift shows how right wing the PLP had become under bliar, so you werent really labour tbh

This is the type of silly throw away remark that does not one any favours.

You do realise that Labour will need people to change from Tory to Labour to win.

Continue to throw stupid remarks around and Labour will sink further into the distance.

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:17

The Tory leader has invited Trump on a State Visit Piglet, a man who abused a disabled person at a conference, is sexist and is also racist. Who has limited intelligence and is not the great negotiator he pretends to be.

Piglet, you have heard of The Good Friday Agreement?

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:21

And lest we forget Piglet Thatcher and Pinochet. Or do only while lives matter?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:21

White not while

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/02/2017 15:22

And lest we forget Piglet Thatcher and Pinochet. Or do only while lives matter?

Do you know my hereditary or skin colour?
and it's white not while

Elendon · 12/02/2017 15:27

You don't know mine either. Or my race for that matter.

And this argument is pointless as the link suggests.

Boulshired · 12/02/2017 15:31

Labour even before JC spends most of its time arguing amongst itself, this thread has labour voters disagreeing. Question time last week should have been the Tory mp in the hot seat and yet it was the labour mp getting a grilling in a labour area. It is car crash after car crash of MPs being asked to clarify the party and other members quoted stance. How can you have opposition with no actual agreement.