To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

[20nil]

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

Let's face it the people responsible for this mess, hard Brexit and austerity cuts etc are Tory voters. Not Corbyn or anyone else. There is no way Yvette Cooper or Liz Kendal would be doing any better. The only way another candidate would be elected is if they had some of Corbyn's ideas and we're not in the 'Blue Labour' camp.

So who is the alternative leader now? The members don't appreciate being patronised by people like Hunt and Umunna. This makes them more likely to vote for a far left candidate.

sea how can he be the best chance we have if he's unelectable and grossly unpopular. Labours job is to present credible costed policies that people will vote for. They need a strong popular credible leader.

They have none of those. JC is Michael foot all over again.

DA lost all credibility when she sent her own child to private school and Emily T is just a patronising embarrassment.

The upcoming bi ejections will be so bad for labour I think even JC will resign but with his immense ego maybe not.

Labour is in the wilderness yet again. Just when we need them to be strong. Just like they were with Thatcher and the 80s whole she wreaked havoc.

History repeating itself

Let's face it the people responsible for this mess, hard Brexit and austerity cuts etc are Tory voters

No they really aren't.

Going around blaming others for not voting the way you wanted them to is not going to convince them to change their mind.

Labour failed to convince the electorate that they are a better option to vote for.

It is also those 'Tory voters' that Labour will need to win again in the future!

There is no way Yvette Cooper or Liz Kendal would be doing any better.

Actually they probably would as their views are more in line with the general electorate.

See the absolute refusal to see the situation for what it is tells us all why Corbyn supporters continue to support him.

Blame the press, Brexit, tories, ukip, lies and misrepresentation and good old fashioned racism but never ever suggest that Corbyn well just isn't up to the job and the electorate won't vote for the prat.

Yvette cooper would be much better as she's popular and sensible.

Yvette Copper would have backed Remain wholeheartedly, and would have appeared with Cameron to make a strong cross-party statement about what was in the UK's best interests.

Corbyn refused to share a platform with DC - self-indulgent gesture politics given the hate-fuelled ideologues he has appeared with.

Yes, I expect more, much much more, of Labour than of the Tories. I am a Labour Party member and voter. I expect the Tories to screw things up and favour the rich and powerful.

I really hope Corbyn's supporters on this thread are heading off to campaign in the bye-elections if they possibly can. If you have been already, what are people saying on the doorsteps?

Enthusiasm Yes, I am. I genuinely think the LibDems are now the real opposition.

I agree.Lasly There is no way that the Corbynistas will do anything to support the Labour Party at the bye elections. They don't really care about Stoke and Leigh, two places very close to my heart. They just pretend to give a shit.

Yes, I agree, Corbynistas do not walk the walk when it comes to bye elections.

Naze did you join the Labour Party to vote for Corbyn?

Most Tory party members I know despise the LibDems.

Completely agree lasly

Sorry the lib Dems are finished I think.

No, Elendon I was a Blairite. I now vote Conservative

JC's supporters are conspicuously absent when we canvass around here, but they like to shout at meetings.

Of course Yvette Cooper would have done a better job. She had shadowed May as Home Secretary and is an actual economist, so knows what she's talking about on the economy. Unlike Corbyn and his ridiculous Shadow Chancellor.

Much as I want him to go, I don't know that it's ego that's keeping Corbyn there. He's obviously hideously uncomfortable in the job. I think it's a sense of responsibility for the people who voted for him. But he needs to think about the bigger issue and the country now. He must go and he must help to make his departure work for all. I can't see it happening though.

Maybe the wgo comment was unfair Pehaos he too was an unwitting pawn swept along by the hard left and plonked into powers without really realising the consequences to him or the party.

The past week where he's been advocating loyalty from a man who consistently defied the leadership on all occasions was painful to watch.

I could forgive him sharing a platform with the IRA but can't forgive him for allowing anti Semitic views to go unchallenged.

I can never forgive Dianne Abbott. I hate hypocrites.

I agree 20nil.

No, Elendon I was a Blairite. I now vote Conservative

Making that shift shows how right wing the PLP had become under bliar, so you werent really labour tbh

The opposition is there to challenge the government and so at times government is forced to revise their plans Labour has done neither since he has been leader

Labour have forced a number of u-turns from the government and challenged them into many other revisions. You seem to be spouting those "alternative facts."

I really don't understand.

If you have one party hell-bent on restructuring the country into one which prioritises the enrichment of the very people who caused the economy to collapse, which establishes the erosion of workers' rights/public health services as their raison d'être, which dumps the country blindly out of the EU without a hint of a plan and at a very uncertain time of world-wide economic and political turmoil, which manipulates "costings" regarding NHS spending....

you choose to condemn the opposition because you feel like they may be hypocritical as they missed a vote they didn't initiate, or shook hands with someone twenty years ago, or have a weak chin? Don't provide a line-item break down of projected expenditure when the party in power don't even bother to plainly state broad goals?

Will you be won over by Starmer's patrician jawline and sassy quiff?

No Make, I don't condemn the Party. I am a member!!! I condemn the current leadership, and not for the nonsense list of things, you've just posted. I condem JC because he is not an effective leader. Clear enough?

I condemn the opposition because presently they are a bunch of ineffectual, idealistictic fuckwits who have little or no experience beyond the cosy Westminster bubble.

Am laughing at the maybe the Labour party isn't for you, and you were never really labour anyway. You need to convert people to labour that is how you win elections. It's not a private members club. Or a game of protest. Its peoples lives. If you don't want people in your gang, then really you shouldn't be in politics.

Me neither, Rugby. They are utterly contaminated. I feel shifty when I tell Jewish friends I am still in the party. Am not sure I can forgive the IRA stuff either and I have made myself watch John McDonnell try to justify it once I had finished sticking pins in my eyes. I have never seen how JC can appeal to Labour's more traditional/older vote (I am 50 and the pictures from the Hyde Park bombing are still with me) given this baggage and the tabloids have barely started.

I agree, Corbyn has to go. He's a nice man but a terrible leader.

Having said that, the Tories are much, much worse. Theresa May is a complete liar and doesn't have a clue what she's going. The party is more split than Labour, they just keep quiet about it.

Why doesn't the media talk about the shambolic Tory Party I wonder? No need to answer that one.

It's bizarre that having put his constituency first for so many years with no interest in enriching his career, all the while voting with his conscience on important issues even when it was to his detriment, JC can be accused of egoism and ambition! He was nominated for leader and won it (twice) by huge landslides. It's not ego or ambition keeping him as leader, it's democracy! Honestly I think some people just regurgitate the last thing they read on Facebook.