To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

And yes, Labour's failure to elect a woman leader is a sad indictment. As was JC's failure to appoint women to any of the most senior posts in his first shadow cabinet. How is that acceptable from such a principled, radical leader?

What makes me sick about the referendum is the Tory politicians capitulating to vote for Article 50, with the exception of Ken Clarke (who is no saint when it comes to past policies). They toe a line for so called party unity, when it's very clear they disagree. Hypocrites.

SeaWitchly If you think Corbyn is the best to halt the tide of privatisation of the NHS and zero contract hours, then I'm beginning to think you actually would like that to happen.

They toe a line for so called party unity, when it's very clear they disagree. Hypocrites

Actually in quite a few of the vocal Tory remain cases they actually voted with their constituents. Anna Soubry for eg is completely remain, her constituency voted Leave. That isn't hypocrisy.

Diane Abbott being 'ill' so she didn't have to vote and so saved her job is hypocrisy.

YANBU

He is an absolute disaster for Labour and that is nothing to do with the press (who he refuses to work with) or Labour MP's not giving him a chance he isn't a leader he has made a career out of being a rebellious backbencher and is way out of his depth

He isn't a man of principle he lied constantly throughout the EU Referendum to keep his position, happily to be paid by Iranian state TV, will reach out and hold peace talks with the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah but not groups that represent Jewish Israelies, allowed a woman to be heckled by one of his supporters who heckled her because she is Jewish and then arranged to text him on way out of meeting but ignored that she was visibly upset, invited the leader of Sinn Fein who refused to condemn the IRA Brighton Bombing that killed 5 people seriously injuring many others just a few weeks after the bombing that was intended to kill the leader and cabinet miminsters who were democratically voted by the U.K.

He is an agitator and anyone who thinks he could ever have a chance of winning an election is deluded. He isn't so stupid that he thinks he can win but would rather Labour be in opposition (no matter how pathetically poor that opposition is) than Labour being more to the centre of politics and actually having a chance of being elected

Labour are likely to lose or come very close to losing two very very safe seats the only upside is that it might just push Corbyn into stepping down.

There is no opposition to Brexit becuase he and his close circle are mainly happy with leaving. But he can't even bring together the party to oppose a hard Brexit what is the point of being in opposition

I think Keir Starmer is being lined up he certainly speaking out against the government and has the experience and knowledge to be involved in high level negotiations

I am only keeping my Labour Party Membership to be able to vote on the next leadership contest I believe in the party but not as it is at the moment

I can not remember the Tories every having such an easy time it's pitiful

@MrsRuby

I think that he hasn't articulated it in a good way to appeal to enough people.

The Tories, as much as I hate them, are so good at election messages, setting a narrative and being pretty disciplined. The way in which they got Theresa May in post was so quickly done that you could forget the ridiculous idea of Leadsom. They see that the bigger objective is to get into power.

Labour on the other hand are not doing a good job of maintaining party discipline, they haventgot a clear Brexit strategy.

They should be banging the drum 7 days a week re the NHS, social care, education and Brexit. It's not enough to have the poor showing at PMQs. pMQs only matters to the Westminster bubble.

Agree the Tories are good at putting the message across and setting the narrative and looking profession they put on a united front and give the impression of being capable of running the country

Labour at the moment look the opposite

So by your reasoning then Piglet, (this is too easy, why can't Corbyn do it?), those Tory MPs whose constituencies voted Remain and toed the Party line are hypocrites? Which confirms my point.

The biggest hypocrite of all is UKIP. Independence has been won. Disband and chalk up the victory. Why is the UKIP still going? And why didn't those MEPs resign their lucrative seats immediately post referendum?

The Tories are good at putting the message across because of the Daily Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Times, Sky News and Daily Express.

And they have put on a mainly united front the party leader has got them into line becuase that is part of the job as leader of the party

Labour had the chance to reach out with those not happy in the Tory party and come up with an opposition to the Tory Brexit plans but what did Corbyn do attend some rallies and go and meet a rebellious party leader somewhere in South America

YANBU. He is as much use as a chocolate teapot. He could have been so much more effective and has chosen not to be.

Believe and Enthusiasm, I agree with both of you.

I suspect whoever is labour leader at te next GE will have to resign the day after, so part of me hopes we don't use up the likes of Starmer.

Agree the right wing press spread the Tory message very well makes their press office redundant but Corbyn is invisible as a leader, a change is desperately needed.

We are living in strange times. Whenever the Right do something awful the general public dutifully repeat the mantra that it's the fault of the Left, and often Corbyn. Trump, Brexit, NHS crisis? Nothing to do with the right wing, all the Left's fault. It feels more like an Orwellian dystopia every day.

It's Corbyn fault that he isn't leading a credible opposition

The opposition is there to challenge the government and so at times government is forced to revise their plans Labour has done neither since he has been leader

So Elendon if not Corbyn, who would be your choice as Labour leader?
Genuinely interested.

In defence of Blair (an unpopular opinion, but hey) he was too long in power and went corrupt but New Labour did many good things when they were first in power - national minimum wage, Good Friday agreement, devolution - it was a breath of fresh air after the Thatcher years.

However, Blair's corruption actually serves to demonstrate the importance of an effective opposition - the Tories were in tatters so there was no balance or check . Labour in Glasgow is a great example of the endemic corruption that arises without opposition.

JC is an unprincipled opportunist who has never done a days work and will cling to power while the Labour party crumbles around him. I couldn't despise him more. At least Blair did some good - JC has done fuck all for anyone.

I can also assure you I am not pro privatisation of the NHS or the proliferation of zero hours contracts.

ithakabythesea completely agree with your post.

Totally agree ithakabythesea

Corbyn is absolute brilliant. Long may he continue.....

I agree with you OP

I am not a labour party member so did not vote (not a member of any political party) but I was chuffed when he won ,, he SEEMED like a breath of fresh air .. . seemed . Sigh

TheNaze73

I assume you are a Tory supporter?

Nothing to do with the right wing, all the Left's fault.

I don't see anyone saying 'it's nothing to do with the right'. I do see people saying it's nothing to do with saint Jeremy.

The issue is the right wouldn't be able to do the things they do with a credible opposition. They can 'get away' with what they are because Labour are crumbling.

Even Tories say they want a credible opposition as democracy works best when there is one!

SeaWitchly

Cameron gives the country a say on an issue many people feel strongly about, but the result doesn't go your way and so he's to blame for absolutely everything and should never have entertained the idea of holding a referendum because anyone who doesn't agree with your views is a moron.

And yet people wonder why no one takes Labour, Corbyn and Corbyn's supporters seriously.