To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

Much as I despair at what's happening, I don't think David Milliband would have done any better. He was just as awkward and would have been just as savagely attacked by the press as Ed. Poll after poll showed that the majority of voters agreed with EM's key policies, but they thought he wasn't prime minister material. The Tories actually adopted a lot of his ideas under Cameron!!

Tory nonsense about a Labour/SNP alliance didn't help. Neither did Nick Clegg's lies about what Labour had done to the economy when in power. I want a left leaning candidate who is credible. Someone with most of EM's ideas but who can bring the Party and country with her or him.

TM has a tiny minority and is systematically destroying the NHS and the education system.I have been to a protest this morning about the school cuts - DS2's school is losing £528 per year for each child. Even though Jeremy Cunt has admitted that the NHS is in crisis, I have seen polls that say that a majority of voters trust the Tories more than Labour with the NHS. Historically, the NHS has always been a strong point for Labour. A decent Opposition leader should be wiping the floor with the Tories about the NHS and cuts to education. Instead, TM has the look of someone who know she can do whatever she wants because there is no effective opposition.

yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Dan_Jarvis
I've been wasting a lot of time on this website.

Given how quiet Jarvis has been, I think he's biding his time. Sadly, no point in challenging now as JC would only win again. The timing of the challenge last year was terrible. Had it not happened, a real challenge might just be on now.

i know it's disasterous.

TM knows exactly that the voters trust her and not Corbyn and who can blame them.

The problem is, I don't trust May. I would never vote for her. I don't trust Corbyn either but I would still vote Labour.

Now translate that to Tory votes. I don't trust Corbyn and would never vote for him. I don't trust May either but I would still vote Tory.

Therein lies the impasse. It's clear now that in Copeland people who traditionally did vote Labour, voted Tory to try to give Corbyn a lesson. It fell on deaf ears. He doesn't care.

yes he has to go but it's back to the same problem. He won't get voted out and he won't resign.

yes he has to go but it's back to the same problem. He won't get voted out and he won't resign.

"David Milliband He's too smarmy. That's my gut reaction.
Theresa May and the Tories are high in the polls because even though they may not 'like' them they trust them to do a tough job. I don't think people want another Oxford PPE graduate."

Ha! That's what they say! They said it when Blair was PM - "don't like smarmy, don't care what they look like, just want honest, principled leaders".

And who actually won the next election after Blair? (Note: actually won at the polls)?

David Cameron, that's who. One of his biggest attributes being that he was more photogenic than Gordon Brown.

The fact of the matter is that undecided voters will often go for the candidate that looks right, even if they don't necessarily know what their background or policies are.

Neil Kinnock got some terrible press: "the Welsh Windbag" they used to call him.
They tried to do it to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown because they were Scottish descent, and the whole Ed Milliband attack on his father and the silly bacon sandwich stunt successfully informed everyone that he was of Polish Jewish descent. That "dog-whistle" tactic again in play.

No one won after Blair. It was a hung Parliament. The LibDems joined with the Tories to form a Government. That went well for the LibDems, didn't it? The LibDems promised a Rose Garden, but didn't deliver. The Tories promise very little to be honest, with the exception of a certain referendum, and were left floundering.

Yet Blair will always be known for Iraq. White, middle aged men who are angry and leftist always bring this up. Yet dig deeper and they really couldn't give a shit with regard to helping those in need out. It's down to Blair and Iraq when it comes to the left. I think we may have moved on.

Cameron won the most votes; he just didn't have enough seats to form a Parliament without Nick Clegg (another photogenic and popular figure in that election).

Brown stood down. Miliband stood down. Despite a chance at winning in the polls. I have no doubt whatsoever that Corbyn will not stand down post 2020. It's all about his ego, having been on the sidelines for so long. He was overlooked by them all. Corbyn was elected MP in 1983. The year Foot stepped down and Kinnock got to leadership.

But Clegg could easily have gone with Brown to form a Government.

I think jc sees himself as a saviour. TM and the Conservatives will decimate the NHS/ education and he will ride in and save us with his moralistic approach. What he forgets is that people remember that he had been silent when he should have spoken up . He has let so many people down with his idealistic attitude.
I joined the conservatives (in case the leadership went to a party vote ) and went to a meeting - they love JC as long as he is leader they can do anything they want as he is systematically destroying Labour

But Clegg could easily have gone with Brown to form a Government.

Tbf to Clegg though he did that as the Tories had won more seats than Labour.

Farron has said he would too if it came up again.

As I remember 2010, they just didn't have the seats, the numbers didn't stack up for any other coalition.

This is all so depressing [helpful].

Fuck it opened the wine!

Here's to Corbyn reading this and stepping down I must stop drinking am hallucinating

I would like to suggest another view. It is troubling. The people have hardened their hearts. In times so scary, they have moved rightward, they reach for the simplicity of the conservative false security. Nationalism, hard work, the home, doing what they must for thier children.

Which of Corbyn's replacements could win? Has anyone conducted polling on this?

Which of Corbyn's replacements could win? Has anyone conducted polling on this?

I imagine the unions would have an opinion/figures on this - after all they provide a lot of the funding

Maybe the fact that JC is still there says something about their view of anyone else's prospects?

I honestly think Corbyn and Abbott both need to go, as a matter of urgency. IMO they've both lost any public credibility. I'm sure Angela Eagle is lovely but she's an awful politician too. They remind me of out of touch workplace dinosaurs who have a vast amount of experience but have failed to keep pace with contemporary concerns and 'ways of doing things'. I'd like to see them get out of the way of Keir Starmer, Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham.

Also their press/pr/social media people need replacing. The 'cult' of Corbyn should never have been allowed to happen - it covered up the lack of clear policy and represented a failure to inspire and recruit based on solid principles, research, plans and promises.

Perhaps the most likely opposition could come from a Lib Dem/Green joint working approach (lives in hope).

make that's very interesting so stability and familiarity in an uncertain and frankly scary world.

It's certainly possible.

Abbott is a chancer and a hypocrite. I honestly can't abide her.

Andy Burnham is my choice but he won't stand

Labour would have lost Copeland in 2010 if they hadn't changed the boundaries nothing to do with Jc

ilove

Nothing ever is corbyns fault though is it.

''Tis all fake news and the fault of the press! Now who does that remind us of?