To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

weak, thin skinned and pig headed

Yes Rugby that just about sums him up! The petulant reaction to the journalist asking him if he thinks he's at fault in any way (one word answer, no, if you missed it) illustrates that perfectly. It's like a child caught with crumbs around their mouth who denies going into the biscuit tin.

Agree these folk seem to exist in some sort of back - slapping echo chamber.

Yes agree all but what can we do? All the ukip voters will probably transfer to the tories post Brexit and there will be a Tory landslide st the next election.

I don't see another coup working as his supporters and other agitators will vote for him again and I just don't see home quitting. He's enjoying himself too much.

Meanwhile hard Brexit, NHS collapse and austerity will run unchecked. So so depressing.

Oh god, the Ian Levery interview on The Daily Politcs was a car crash interview. He actually said (in between shouting that all the media want to talk about this morning is JC)

"JC is one of the most popular politicians in the whole country right now".

"He also said that the Vopeland vote was a vote against the establishment and parliamentary politcs"

Er...... yes so anti-establishment that they voted for a Tory (incumbent) government!!

He's either thick or simply deluded. Unbelievable response

David Milliband commented today that the Labour Party is the most unelectable it's been for 50 years. I was 11 when Thatcher was elected and I was 28 when the Tories got kicked out. I remember the total euphoria of the '97 election. I know there isn't a lot of love out there for Blair but he did what was needed to make the party electable again. The thought of them winning 3 terms in a row is unimaginable now. My oldest child was 10 when the coalition was elected. Assuming TM wins the next election, he will be 25 before there is any chance of a change of government. It depresses the fuck out of me to see Labour consigning itself to years in the wilderness and condemning my children to growing up under the Tories like I did.

Ms was just about to post re David Milliband.

Do we see a future?

Sorry posted too soon do we see a plan ahead to bring David back??

Sorry posted too soon do we see a plan ahead to bring David back??

George Orwell wrote 'The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which'

I really can't see any difference any more between Corbyn and his supporters and Trump and his lot. It's all Fake News! and Look how many people voted for me! and Media Bias! They are all the same.

There are glimmers of hope here and there.

I don't honestly know what we can do apart from ways already being done, iyswim. The coup didn't work last summer and a new one is likely to go the same way. I genuinely don't know how to get rid of him.

I would love to see David's return the man who makes Labour a party that can lead an opposition and could win an election

I truly believe if he had won against Ed we could still possibly have a Labour government and would not have had what has been most damaging to our country the referendum

*what's, not ways.

Glimmers of hope - David Milliband hinting at a possible comeback.

Suggestions that Unions aren't happy with his leadership (although they have stopped short of outright criticism).

Seahorses the far left and far right have far more in common than they would ever admit. It's the horseshoe theory of politics.

Totally agree Enthusiasm I don't think Ed really even wanted to be leader he was swept along by the left and had some wierd sibling rivalry need to win.

If David had won I don't think ukip would have creamed off so many labour voters but if a referendum had been called David would most defiantly have stood alongside Cameron to support remain.

Yes far left and far right are just as scary unpleasant and equally stupid but dangerous

I can't work out if JC genuinely believes that Copeland and the party's plummeting ratings aren't down to him in which case he's deluded or he knows it's true and doesn't care because he's having too much fun holding his rallies. Either way, he's a twat.

Totally agree about the similarities between far left and far right.

Totally totally agree MsHooley well put.

Still labour have been in the wilderness before and come back post Foot and Kinnock.

Maybe David is the man to do a Blaire?

Can't think of another Tory government running unchecked like thatcher did. It's too depressing we need some hope.

JC reminds me of a teenager whose parents are away and he has the house and car keys and it's party time.

As much as I'd love him to, I don't think David Milliband will be back anytime soon. I agree though that if he's been voted as leader labour would have probably won the election. However, the unions swung it for Ed, as they believed him to be more 'left'.

Who else do you think could lead oklumber yes David might be a pipe dream

YANBU. Jeremy Corbyn, if you're reading this, it's time to step down mate.

think he's incapable of doing the decent thing Mammy he's having a ball with his supporters and never had so much power.

When polls look at future Labour leaders, of course they focus on current MPs, but it would be very interesting to see to what degree floating voters would consider David Milliband.

It's so frustrating that the Tory majority is so, so small, and could so easily be clawed back at the next GE to make a progressive Labour/Lib/SDP coalition, if the right Labour leader came along.

But I think this is different. Foot did not have a stranglehold on the party. And looking back at Kinnock he was actually setting the stage for New Labour. I was not that keen on Kinnock but don't think he is given enough credit for the steps he made in making the party electable. Those steps weren't enough to get Kinnock himself elected but they prepared the way for Blair. Corbyn is making giant strides in the opposite direction of electability. (Not sure if that's a real word but too cross to care)