To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

As a PP said, he reminds me of Michael Foot in his general ineptitude and hopelessness at understanding his core voters. I was astonished when he won the leadership, what on earth was his appeal?

Just proves that the best poachers don't always make the best gamekeepers. He was fine as a thorn in everyone's side on the back benches, but on the front bench? No way.

You know all those people who voted for Brexit? THOSE are Labour voters who have had fuck all to vote for since Blair. And all those PLP peeps that you guys seem to love - they voted against the wishes of their constituents. So they have basically decided they would rather lose their seat than do what their constituents want. What the Labour Party is about??

It was completely obvious from the moment he put himself out there that he was going to be shit and utterly incompetent but for some reason people thought that because he had (unrealistic and slightly dodgy) principles he could be a leader. Was never going to happen

And the fact that people think Michael Foot was incompetent just proves the point......

You do realise that there may be a reason that billionaire media barons might bad mouth those who might empower the masses?

Just read some Michel Foot before you judge him. Or don't, and carry on wondering why your kids struggle to get on the housing ladder, why you toil endlessly for rubbish wages etc.

This is where Labour is on all the things you asked OP.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/here-jeremy-corbyns-10-pledges-11703311.amp?client=safari

In summary
Stop privatisation of NHS
Scrap university tuition fees
Renationalise railways
Invest £500billion in infrastructure to create new jobs
Build a million new homes, half a million of which to be council houses
End zero hours contracts
Clean energy pledge to meet environmental goals
Increase tax for highest earners

So yes YABU.

And maybe, just maybe, the Labour Party was never meant to be for you. Maybe it was meant to be for all the people who haven't had anyone to vote for since 1997

I agree with you Christmas.

Christmas, two-thirds of Labour voters voted Remain even though ten days before the referendum, many Labour voters did not know whether Labour had a policy on leaving the EU. A different leader could have supported Remain with vigour and clarity, shared a platform with DC to appeal to people of no political allegiance, and who knows what might have happened.

yanbu. With the honourable exceptions of Libdems and SNP, we have had no opposition. The pro- EU movement that is growing and gaining strength is real grassroots stuff. I never thought I would see insipid little me become an activist, but needs must... I would be waiting a long time for Corbyn to fight my corner.

And you too MrsRuby.

Thank you SeaWitchly.

What I now dispise about labour is how they allow them selves to play exactly into the Tories hands and to turn against Tony Blair the only one that was ever electable.
Who on their right mind would want some one like JC as prime minister..

And all those PLP peeps that you guys seem to love - they voted against the wishes of their constituents

Actually no they didn't. In this area of the Midlands it was all leave, so they voted to trigger so with their constituents.

I could point out that Corbyn was from a massive remain constituency but voted against them...

Olly I'm pretty left of left, and never found a reason to trust corbyn and I'm quite annoyed that, despite his personable appearance on The Last leg, I'd sooner have nick Clegg in opposition. he just has a far more realistic sense of how people tick. MIL is far left wife Of a (late) far left miner and she can't stand Corbyn.

And Iagree that, as despicable as Blair proved to be, he did have some basic understanding of WC people's needs, even if it was only academic. he was my Mp and his successor was one of his chief cheerleaders and after some crass comments about the bombing in Syria vote, I fucking hate the guy [who succeeded Blair].

Yanbu

I want an opposition leader who
a) wants to kick the shit out of the government for being dire
B) wants to run the country and do it better

He's failing on both counts

I agree with Christmas

Lalsy, what became apparent with Brexit was that people who were not voting Labour, who are the very people Labour should be speaking for, were voting to leave the EU, and didn't vote at the general election (big assumptions I agree. But HUGE turnout for the EU vote compared to the GE)

And as someone from grassroots Labour for over 30 years, I find it really hard to understand how being pro-EU is now the de facto position of the left. I voted to leave, for all the reasons Tony Benn would have. In the end, lots of Labour politicians decided that the views of their constituents meant nothing. They will blame their failure on Jeremy Corbyn - the one person who can sort out our politics, like Bernie Sanders would have made Trump a footnote in history.

Pick I do wonder about the MPs who came into the PLP under Blair. That led to Corbyn's election. All 3 candidates against him in the first election were as sixth form as Ed Milliband. Owen Smith was more of the same. No soul. Corbyn was one of a dwindling band of MPs who'd opposed Thatcher.

ChristmasFluff

Who cares about leave or remain? We're leaving; the question is how? Jeremy Corbyn needs to articulate an alternative vision to hard brexit or tory brexit or whatever it is they want. He needs to say clearly what and HOW brexit can be done to fit the agenda of the working poor, if that is who he really cares about.

The list of all the things Labour's agenda is suppposed to be - how do we get from here to there? that's what politicians are supposed to tell you. Not just state things 40 times, actually create and advocate for policy to get you there.

A decent leader would bring up that 350m every single day.

I'm a floating voter. I like Jeremy Corbyn. He actually seems to have some principles. I think some of you hark back to fucking Tony Blair. He was yet another public school boy educated at Oxford. It's all snobbery actually.

Daft thing is, exploded that I've really wanted to trust the guy, but he was so rude to people opposing him on an issue that was so sensitive regarding MPs in our recent past that I just felt pissed on by him

Believeitornot

Surely that's exactly what he is doing?
He has consistently called out the Tories on their bullshit and as I quoted previously has laid out his pledges to run the country better.

Pigletwaspoohsfriend
Are you really saying JC voted to leave!?

Why do people hold Labour to such a different standard than the Tories? He has laid out objectives - and the idea is that you vote for him on the premise he will fulfil them. If not you vote him out. The Tories constantly promise moon pie and deliver shit sandwiches ie We won't cut benefits - give tax breaks to richest whilst cutting dla. We are the party of the working classes - underfunds and sells off choice parts of our free at point of care health service to their cronies.
The NHS fuckery alone should be enough for most people to demand a change!
Why would anyone in their right mind NOT want to give the guy who has a strong ethical track record a chance?

Do none of you see? You all decide between Tory and Labour on all sorts of stuff that you think you understand. You want Corbyn to be Blair, even though the Labour Party members see what you don't. The PLP that you put your faith in? They do not care about you. They are Tories, career politicians, in it for their own gain. You think they will be there when they are 85 like Dennis Skinner? Still acting out of love for the people?

Apple, What the heck can he do? He's done it every day! JC has set out a clear vision of the future he sees outside the EU. He constantly says what he wants to see in negotiation re free movement, HR etc. Here's a useful excercise - switch parties - see how you think