To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

[20nil]

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

All the people knocking Corbyn on here are clueless.

Oh that old insult. Pathetic.

Clueless about Corbyn

No I am not actually that is why I would never vote for Labour while he is leading the party

Yeah, clueless . Unlike the people who have yet to show in any sense how JC has taken Labour closer to government. Come on! Even he can see he's usueless in the job. He looks lost and uncomfortable all the time.

People aren't clueless, they're realistic.

And no one has blamed him for the mess of the NHS or education

But we know with him leading a pathetically poor opposition as he does he isn't holding the Tories to account. He hasn't even put forward an alternative Brexit plan I want to know what the fuck he does with his time apart from attend rallies

We want Labour to be the opposition party that they should be that the country needs, we want Labour to put forward their own Brexit plan that might have some influence, we want Labour to have a chance of winning the next election so they can reverse some of the cuts that the Tories have made we have no chance with Corbyn he is pathetically poor at leading the party he is way out of his depth and his nice proposals mean fuck all with nothing substantial to back them up with

Mummyfeo, you wouldn't like to answer some of the many questions addressed to JC supporters on this thread would you - show us the error of our ways by setting out how he can win a GE for example and put those policies into practice - instead of hurling insults?

20nil hopefully he will stand down, given the opportunity.

I have never voted anything but Labour.

At the moment, I couldn't vote Labour. I'm not seduced by right wing press barons, I'm not part of the metropolitan elite, I'm not a plastic Tory.

I want a competent leader who holds this vile government to account, and wants to actually win rather than protest and remain ideologically pure.

Words can't begin to express how fucking depressing all this is.

And what do you mean the tories have a clear majority at the moment? TM has a small majority - I agree you wouldn't know it because the falling pound, Gary Lineker, Ken Clark and Anna Soubry and JK Rowling are doing a better job than the official opposition. After the next election, they will have a thumping majority with only their right wing to appease.

Not forgetting John Bercow Lalsy. Although some parts of his own party would very much like him to go away.

If the LP continues on its current, seemingly unstoppable downward trajectory the future will be very grim.

Tbf John Bercow is supposed to be a political.

He is on dodgy ground if he starts getting involved in Brexit.

I'm not seduced by right wing press barons, I'm not part of the metropolitan elite, I'm not a plastic Tory.

Me neither. Although being part of a liberal elite sounds like it might be fun, not to mention lucrative. Does anyone know how to join?

I know, right? I eat quinoa and everything. Don't know what more I have to do...

I draw the line at eating quinoa, although I do know how to pronounce it if that would help my chances..

Piglet you're right, but I admire him all the same for having the courage of his convictions.

To be fair, I don't much like quinoa. Maybe that's the problem?

When you're looking at John Bercow and thinking he's doing a better job than Her Majesty's actual farking Opposition, it's a dark day. And he is

Let's clarify. So what we will do is get a good personable centrist leader, adopt likeable positions, hoodwink enough of the confused to get a small majority, play it cool for a while - and then spring our real platform on them say in year two?

That's not my plan Make, no. I don't have a plan, I am in despair s I think JC has destroyed the party. I don't think anyone has said that, another straw man. I did say Labour need to get into power, start undoing the worst excesses and then we can talk. Because of course more possibilities open up when you actually have some power.....

Are you not going to answer my questions then? I have replied to all of yours

Brown and Balls when in power worked on the politics and got through an increase in NI to fund the NHS. Yes, they could have done more. No, they couldn't have done that in opposition.

Corbyn's plans will not work unless there is a huge rise in income tax that's just not workable

So yes the party does need to move more to the centre to win, needs to put in place policies that protect the poorest but also doesn't punish other people for having more wealth so taxes wouldn't too much of it does it just hands over the election to the Tories in the next election

So do you believe Corbyn can win the next general election ?

My true feelings about the future? About Labour's chances under Corbyn, or anyone else?

Let me first ask, have numbers been run for Labour under any different leader?

No, Make - can Corbyn win a General Election, called between now and 2020? And if so, how?

I didn't think Trump had any chance at all of winning. Neither did the polls.

I take it you aren't buying the Corbyn-as-rebel rebrand?

Don't be giving politicians' answers, make - i thought we were agin those

The Trump polls were close enough to have me worried. As were Brexit. Nothing, nothing like JC's.

Are you going to answer the question?