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To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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20nil · 11/02/2017 21:43

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/02/2017 14:46

Oh they are still around

Making a stand against us Tory lites and attending rallies that Corbyn makes an appearance at while he should be doing something constructive

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 14:49

The PLP should show some solidarity

Like JC has as a backbencher you mean.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/02/2017 14:51

Vote of no confidence was after his pathetic attitude in the referendum not sharing a platform with DC, being away for part of it, a lacklustre approach

Should they have lied Confused

flippinada · 14/02/2017 15:09

Didn't he go on holiday at some point during the Referendum campaign?

Lalsy · 14/02/2017 15:38

He did. And spent the first full Saturday at a CND rally.

However we got here, if JC is seen as a weak leader (even if you think that is everyone else's fault), isn't it time for him to go? Given the point of the Labour Party's is not "To be fair to Jeremy Corbyn" but to maintain and organise in Parliament and the country a political Labour party?

Still waiting for a JC supporter to say they think he can win a GE, as things stand.

Think Starmer is a very talented guy, in impossible Brexit fix, but it is unfortunate that not a single amendment got through. I am not sure how much of a politician rather than a manager/lawyer he is, but maybe if he teamed up with someone else....?

Perfectjob · 14/02/2017 16:33

I can't get over his "the fight starts now" tweet, having whipped his MPs to vote for the unamended Article 50 bill. He seems to think that "morality" alone will curb the Tories, it won't.

At this point I think he is ridiculous, and I feel betrayed. His supporters can play the "the press is against him" card all they like, but it doesn't wash. And I speak as someone who voted for him the first time around.

He should resign.

flippinada · 14/02/2017 16:35

KS is very able I think and seems to have an exemplary record of public service (albeit not as an MP) but he was only elected in 2015, wasn't he?

Perfectjob · 14/02/2017 16:37

[[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/11/british-government-cruel-opposition-useless?CMP=share_btn_fb "Corbyn and his leftwing comrades were so frightened of accusations they were thwarting the people’s will that they ended up as Theresa’s little helpers – aiding and abetting a hard Brexit that could bring ruin.

In a tweet both tragic and comic, Corbyn reflected on this disaster with a declaration that the “real fight starts now” – as if the parliamentary decision to trigger article 50 were a pantomime, and what really matters is waving placards and all the shouting into a megaphone in Hyde Park that now follows. That’s his comfort zone, and he should be allowed to retreat to it. But it leaves the rest of us in a zone of discomfort and distress, watching as a government cruel enough to shut out the world’s most helpless children leads our country off a cliff, unchecked by an opposition that isn’t worthy of the name."]]

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 16:37

but he was only elected in 2015, wasn't he?

Yes which is why I think it is too soon. Dan Jarvis has an extra term.

flippinada · 14/02/2017 16:42

Neil Kinnock performed better as leader with an equally hostile press so no, it isn't just the press.

I suspect the three line whip was the last straw for many.

My concern is he'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming from the leadership.

Anon1234567890 · 14/02/2017 18:06

My concern is he'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming from the leadership To late they have tried that. He will be going down with the ship.

Maybe someone else can try and put the party back together again after that but its touch and go if even Dr Frankenstein could resurrect it

Rugbyplayersarehot · 14/02/2017 18:32

i truly believe JC isn't a labour supporter. No true labour supporter would stand to see the state of the party now and fiddling while it burns.

I just don't buy it.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/02/2017 19:16

I still have hope

If labour lose Copeland to the Tories he will be mocked mercilessly in parliament even more so than he is now I think those close to him will gently tell him it's over even Diane Abbott support seems to be less vocal recently. That could be down to her suffering from migraines

Apart from John McDonnell he will encourage him to fight on while singing The Red Flag Hmm

birdsdestiny · 14/02/2017 19:18

Please stop moaning about the press. The press is always anti Labour and in some cases virulently so. It's like a postman complaining that he has to deliver letters. Dealing with a right wing press is part of his job.

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20nil · 14/02/2017 19:24

Can't see how things can stay the same after Stoke. Best possible scenario is that we win with a reduced majority. This is what we have come to, despite the fact that you could not make up a more difficult environment for the Tories. Will he go then? I doubt it. They look to be training up anointed successors. I suppose that's a start but both seem very inexperienced.

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20nil · 14/02/2017 19:25

The more I think about this shocking, appalling situation, the more angry I get.

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Lalsy · 14/02/2017 19:31

Yes, and they have barely started. As a GE approaches, we will have day after day of the photo wth Gerry Adams, the memorial service for the station bombers, the "I was trying to be inclusive" when asked why he said Hezbollah were his friends. There are quotes and pix for all that stuff and it will be relentless.

Lalsy · 14/02/2017 19:38

And if the bye election results are anything other than disastrous, that will be taken as victory, whereas we should be absolutely stomping on the tory vote at the moment.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/02/2017 19:44

I have said previously I think they will just hold Stoke but lose Copeland to the Tories.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/02/2017 20:16

Yes it will be seen as a victory if we hold on to both

I would rather we lose Copeland than Stoke but i think we might lose both

The press haven't started their attack on Corbyn yet the pictures themselves will be enough how anyone thinks that isn't an issue I really struggle to understand

AnUtterIdiot · 14/02/2017 20:18

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/02/2017 20:35

He has lost more voters amongst the working class than any of Blair or Brown or even Miliband did

They only lost you Scotland for the forseeable future

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20nil · 14/02/2017 20:45

If that fuckwit Nuttall wins, will JC resign or will be continue to blame the MSM or the PLP?

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mummyfeo · 14/02/2017 20:53

All the people knocking Corbyn on here are clueless. Are you seriously blaming him for the mess the NHS is in? or education? Get real, the fact that Milliband made Labour unelectable means that we have so few mps, that there is no opposition. The tories have a clear majority. Corbyn has principles. He is dead wrong on some things, but bang-on, on many others. His problem is that during the Blair years, Labour filled up with the career politicians who destroyed the party. Very few of the current crop of MPs are actually truly 'Labour'. They have no interest in the british people, the british working class or the trade union movement. They exist in identical bubbles to their Tory friends, PPE at Oxbridge, an internship and then straight into a safe seat. The sooner the electorate get the chance to vote them out and elect people that will actually represent them the better.

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 14/02/2017 20:55

I really resent being accused of having the wool pulled over my eyes by "rich press barons".

Me too. I have a friend on FB with whom I had quite a heated discussion about this very thing. I was quite insulted actually and told her I had arrived at my opinion all by myself and it was nothing to do with Rothermere, Dacre or Murdoch. We had to leave that conversation in order to remain friends, which was sensible, because I do really like her. That was a few months ago and funnily enough, the number of her pro Corbyn posts have been tailing off of late.