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Original poster

To ask you to help me argue with an anti-vaxxer on fb

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 11/02/2017 21:24

I know, I know. But it's Saturday night, DP is out and I am just home whilst our (fully vaccinated!) DD is asleep.

What do I say to someone who is convinced that we should all do our own research, that vaccines are only about big pharma making big bucks, and that the govt hushes up vaccine damage??

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PandasRock · 15/02/2017 18:17

Yep, those extra hours in the day really do mean extra productivity Hmm

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 15/02/2017 18:19

Well good for you panda.

That still does not mean it is wise for everyone to do that. You feel it was the right decision for you and your DM and that's good, but it would be very irresponsible of you to tell everyone that they can find out more than the dr can tell them.

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PandasRock · 15/02/2017 18:21

And I think most parents of disabled children are well aware that it's not just children who need care - dd1 will need care for the rest of her life, and quite obviously won't remain a child. She is already almost as big as me - I am well aware that she will all too soon be an adult, needing evermore hands on care (will need to fill those hours currently taken up by school somehow!)

PandasRock · 15/02/2017 18:24

I haven't ever done that, Sick, and I'm not sure why you would imply that I have.

My post was merely highlighting that I already know full well that it isn't just disabled children who need care, since you seemed to think I needs educating on that point. Not sure your snarking was necessary Hmm

MimiTheWonderGoat · 15/02/2017 18:26

Sick...I've listed umpteen times where I got my information from and you are still just trying hard to belittle me by calling me the google queen. Charming.
Ever heard of the Cochrane Library? Well, guess what....we access it on bloody line! The BMJ? It's ON BLOODY LINE! I'm sure you can order up paper copies if it makes you believe the words more than seeing them ONLINE!

Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 18:27

Ds1 is an adult in a few months. I spend hours each week on transition issues.

I am well aware he won't be magically cured when he turns 18.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 15/02/2017 18:37

I haven't ever done that, Sick, and I'm not sure why you would imply that I have.

that is what the AIBU was about. people who do exactly that. they trot out "big pharma, do your own research" and it's dangerous, as several PPs said at the beginning of the thread. and several posters have proven very precisely why it's dangerous!

there are very clear exceptions like you and devilish, who are clearly experts because of your situations. most people do not have your expertise. therefore they are not equipped to make the same decisions that you make. nobody is saying that YOU are not, or that you have not learned an enormous amount!

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Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 18:40

Given the high vaccination rates there aren't many people making decisions you wouldn't approve of. As has been pointed out many (most?) people not vaccinating have chosen not to following an adverse event. Im not sure why you are so concerned.

MimiTheWonderGoat · 15/02/2017 18:46

..and several posters have proven very precisely why it's dangerous!

And that would be....YOU?

bumbleymummy · 15/02/2017 19:01

Goes, because you specifically mentioned GPs and nurses earlier :)

WayfaringStranger · 15/02/2017 19:01

But there aren't a lot of people who do avoid vaccinations. Confused I'm sure there are some people who are conspiracy theorists but there are people who don't vaccinate for very good reasons, in their eyes.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 15/02/2017 19:10

Haha mimi, another hilarious post. Maybe you should google the real answer?? Wink

Right bumbley, but they aren't the only kind of doctors mentioned on this thread. But contrary to your constant and bizarre assertions, "even" a GP does know a few things! And my friend who is a practice nurse gives numerous jabs a day and I know she does an awful lot of reading. So you can dismiss them but you ain't right about that either.

Wayfaring - there most certainly are a fair few of them piled onto the Facebook thread that started this one. At the last count he has 5 women all swapping photographs of tables about mercury and all saying gleefully that they don't know anyone who vaccinates now 🤦‍♂️

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Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 19:12

My friend who is a practice nurse hasn't vaccinated her children except for tetanus (they're old enough they could get it singly).

So erm not sure what your point is.

PandasRock · 15/02/2017 19:18

I suspect it's a movable point, devilish.

Like the masses who aren't vaccinating (until it's pointed out there aren't huge numbers)

Or the posters who 'only' take into account caring for disabled children (until it's pointed out that isn't the case)

Or the posters who repeatedly tell the whole world to ignore all doctors (until it's pointed out no one has done that)

and so on...

bumbleymummy · 15/02/2017 19:20

"But contrary to your constant and bizarre assertions, "even" a GP does know a few things!"

Eh? Where have I said they don't? Bit of a difference between being an expert and knowing a few things though!

raindripsonruses · 15/02/2017 19:21

Failing to maintain herd immunity puts me at direct risk. I'm immunocompromised as I mentioned before and have MS. I never had measles as a child. If I get it now I risk a relapse which may be severe or even fatal. I asked about having MMR jab (had mumps as a kid and rubella jab as teenager). I was told that it may also spark a relapse. So I either rely on my area to maintain herd immunity (which it doesn't have) or have a jab. Hobson's effing choice.
I assume anyone having chemotherapy or other immune compromising situation is in a similar situation.

Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 19:24

My friend's son was immunocompromised and was at very high risk from the viruses each and every one of us carry that do us no harm. Far more at risk from those than from diseases that can be vaccinated against.

The last time I checked the only jab that was below the magic 95% was mumps (& I suspect that is higher now).

If my kids get colds I check their mouths for koplik's spots. When I knew my son had been exposed to rubella (from a vaccinated child) we stayed in during the infectious period. Lots of ways to be responsible.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 15/02/2017 19:26

yawn. Panda. You haven't read a word in context. Who said "masses" aren't vaccinating? I said lots on the original fb post aren't. You know, the original question.

Who said posters "only" take into account disabled children? That was a specific response to an unpleasant assumption from devilish - which she failed to apologise for, despite it being her misreading, but that's the internet.

Posters saying "do your research" should know their audience. See the responses at the beginning of this thread - I am not the only one saying this.

What part of any of this is a "moveable" feast?!

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raindripsonruses · 15/02/2017 19:26

I'm an adult with a job. Not staying in, but thanks for suggesting I doHmm.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 15/02/2017 19:28

And yes. I have mentioned severe stroke victims and cancer victims in my immediate family as an example, rain - 3 very good reasons why it bothers me.

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Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 19:28

I didn't suggest you stayed in. I said when I knew my kids had been exposed to rubella (by a vaccinated child - who didn't stay in) we started in during the infectious period. I.e. So we would not spread it to anyone.

Not quite sure what is wrong with that.

Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 19:29

*stayed

raindripsonruses · 15/02/2017 19:29

We have no herd immunity in our area against measles. And mumps can lead to sterility in men so if your area doesn't have herd immunity for that, it's a big problem.

raindripsonruses · 15/02/2017 19:30

Devil 's , what would you do in my situation where I am at risk of measles which can have devastating consequences, thanks to my non-vaccinated neighbourhood.

Devilishpyjamas · 15/02/2017 19:33

Actually sick what you wrote could have meant my interpretation (particularly as I thought it would be bloody obvious we were aware that our children become adults. I have mentioned on this thread my fears for Ds1's package under adults. He's at high risk of ending up in a hospital if adults cut it in the way they want to).

As for apologies what about one for suggesting Im some sort of loaded person with hours of spare time to spend with all my contacts. (Couldn't be further from the truth)