To ask you to help me argue with an anti-vaxxer on fb

[GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick]

I know, I know. But it's Saturday night, DP is out and I am just home whilst our (fully vaccinated!) DD is asleep.

What do I say to someone who is convinced that we should all do our own research, that vaccines are only about big pharma making big bucks, and that the govt hushes up vaccine damage??

OP hope the deletion has served to show you you are wrong about what is classed as a personal attack on here!
If you wrote "iggi you are a cunt" that involves no stalkery stuff but would still be likely to be deleted if reported. unless mnhq also thought I was a cunt

No. It's anonymous words on the internet, deliberately repeating the use of her own word "thick" as used first to me.......

In terms of the long term well being of the animal I mean...

Oh eyeroll, st iggi. Just because someone doesn't like hearing that's what they sound like doesn't change that's what they sounded like!

Lots of different views are good, when debated sensibly. Non scientific "I know best so don't question me" views are just bizarre!

" If your child is vaccinated, you don't need to worry about germy kids mixing with yours because yours are protected anyway."

Ah, this chestnut. Fuck all the immunocompromised then, hey? Don't tell me... herd immunity is a myth, too?

FYI - if your posts keep getting deleted then it's a sign you need to rethink what you're posting.

If you're worried about those with compromised immune systems then I presume you pay for a flu shot every year.

I've had one deletion in the 2 years I've been using the site. And that was the first one. Poor little snowflake thinking it's ok to throw out words like "thick" but not to receive them, presumably.

Actually I get them free, but yes. Any other PERSONAL STALKY questions?!?

I missed what was deleted (hoping it wasn't aimed at me)

The flu question was to the person talking about people with compromised immune systems. The point is that we are not all offered them free.

There are quite a few deletions on this thread - and your posts have been unpleasant op.

Oh goody, is it that time of year again?

I've just managed to wangle 10 minutes peace from my (not mmr) vaccine damaged almost teen, sit down, head too wrecked (day 2 of half term, complete loss of routine, and struggling anyway) to do anything other than browse MN, and up pops an anti vax thread.

My cup runneth over.

Seriously, I know a fair amount of parents with unvaccinated children. The funny (oh, so hilarious!) thing is that they are all second or subsequent children, and the decision to not vaccinate was taken after a serious reaction in an older child. There is not one family I know who have just not vaccinated at all.

My younger two are not vaccinated, my eldest was, and we all live with the consequences of that daily. Our lives are not fun. My younger two cannot have friends round; my eldest cannot leave the house without 2:1. She is struggling even at her tiny, full time 1:1 school.

And all this because I too believed in vaccination - took her along, just like I was supposed to. And now that we are living with the consequences, do we get any help? Do we bollocks. Her care package is precisely zero. Zilch. Nada. No respite, no support, nothing. She doesn't even have a paediatrician anymore, thanks to outsourcing. All we have is her (excellent) school, and together with them we are doing all we can, but it isn't enough.

And I'm supposed to have trotted along with my younger children to potentially sign them up for the same reaction, and the same (non) life?

Lots of different views are good, when debated sensibly. Non scientific "I know best so don't question me" views are just bizarre!

Have you looked in the mirror, OP?

Atenco
High five!

Oooh mimi, that's bullying. Report yourself at once!

Atenco, have you read a single word? The whole point is that I DON'T claim to know best, hence my suggesting that people should take professional advice, not "do their own research". Blimey, it's really not hard to understand!

What is wrong with doing your own research? I have a science PhD, have attended relevant conferences, have discussed issues with researchers, spoken to doctors and have read peer reviewed publications.

Are you seriously saying your average GP knows more about my son's condition & had a better idea of how we ended up her than me?

Oh, would that be a GP, possibly like the one who looked at me in astonishment, and said 'ASD?! But she's a girl'

Yep, I made sure to ask his advice in the future, because he clearly was quite the expert on ASD related issues...

Devilish I'm not trying to "out" you but did you have a similar username?

My gp actually googled my daughters symptoms, after I had already done the same at home and just came in to get it confirmed.. but yes, doctors will always know more than anyone else

I also knew something was wrong with my grandads breathing, checked his sats, heartbeat, and breaths also by hand listened to his chest, decided he had some sort of infection in his chest, got him to the hospital and they found he had pneumonia, I also gave him some oxygen at his home before we left just to help him breath and make it to the car. uve had no training, but thinking of becoming a nurse and maybe moving up to a transplant liaison, I know probably a lot more than the OP but I'm not a doctor or a gp so I'm probably just silly, and don't know how to research anything, let alone vaccines.

I think you've had three posts removed by MN on this thread so far GoesDown.

Yes, YOU have done all that and you have fought and fight amazingly for your DS by the sound of it.

But are most people capable of it? How many people who push doing their own research have a science PhD, or even statistical analysis experience?!

For most people it means reading things on the internet and thinking they understand it. For those who can interpret actual scientific data or who have sought expert advice, the position is different - they may or may not be convincing, but at least they know what they are talking about.

Or perhaps I was supposed to instead trust the paed who point blank refused to give me my dd's test results (because I 'wouldn't understand them') until I had agreed to vaccinate her. Test results which actually underlined the reason why she shouldn't be vaccinated (and which I actually knew would be the result - I told him what I thought was on the paper and what it meant, and he then grudgingly confirmed it).

Yep, I sure do know nothing compared with these highly educated doctors

Ah well mimi, you keep counting - THAT research you are probably qualified to do, until you run out of fingers anyway :)

Broken - you really think you know what to google or how to read it in the same way as a dr? Ok then, we must tell all the medical students they are wasting their time on those degrees, you can do it for them!

Now if you trained as a nurse, THEN your opinions would be a lot more interesting, that would be a brilliant job.

Or maybe the GP who refused to follow Dept of Health guidelines, and test for mumps in my clearly-suffering-from-mumps-child (mumps is a notifiable disease).

Gosh, I do seem to have been particularly unlucky with doctors, don't I?

I wonder what response there would be if someone posted on AIBU:

What do I say to someone who is convinced that we should not do any research at all into the vaccines we give our kids, trust implicitly that our doctors have done all this research on our behalf, and that pharmaceutical companies are only trying to help people rather than make any prophet, and the government is only interested in our children's health rather than making savings?

You have a very strange idea of what research is GoesDown.