Fracking

[Againstfracking]

Lancashire voted NO to Fracking but it's been forced on us by the Government. We don't want it! What can we do?

Mallets. All I can say is I feel bullied and coerced.
Fracking was voted out at parish, borough and county level in Lancashire by quite large majorities. We rejoiced briefly with relief. Then the Government overruled our NO vote and now a Fracking pad is being built. It's disgraceful.

It is disgraceful. What I meant was They are beyond bullying, bullying and coercion would mean they had done something to make people change their minds to think it's a good idea.

No one thinks it's a good idea, yet government carry on. It's beyond bullying. Bullying at least would have led to people agreeing, no one has. Yet on it goes.

Dont quit and please keep posting updates.

Thanks. I'm glad most people on here seem to grasp the enormity of the horror about to be unleashed everywhere in the country.
You know what's really sad? I've been watching the wonderful anti fracking nanas and their peaceful protests and then the direct action groups are now starting. All my life I've been muddling along and trying to do the right thing and then suddenly you are feeling uncomfy at the direct action because it's a bit contentious and oh crikey should we be doing that!!!! That looks scary etc.. and then you're suddenly thinking Go On! Do that lock on! Protest outside that concrete mixing warehouse... we need to stop it! I'm beginning to understand how the suffragettes felt. Terrified but also outraged at such disgusting and obvious wrong.
Sigh

I hear you. I live near where hs2 is due to start. It's businesses, families, lives, community, lakes, rivers ancient woodlands, wildlife that is on the brink already.

Every argument against is ignored and unanswered it's ludicrous.
Someone somewhere is sitting pretty but it's not the poor sods losing everything.

Keep the fight on, I've signed any signature I can for fracking, you are supported. Although it feels like it's falling on deaf ears.

I've always felt proud of how Britain Is, not now. It's truly depressing. Fracking, hs2, building on greenbelt. we will only realise when we've lost it all. My favourite quote was "well people always object, they did to the motorways" with no understanding or regard for a healthy ecosystem or the fact we don't have endless land to build over.

HS2 sounds bad. I'm going to go have a refresher read!
Thanks re support for anti Fracking. Let's hope that you don't get a double whammy x

www.frackfreeunited.org/

Worth joining this nationwide campaign

Mn badly needs a visible science board , but seems to encourage 'it is feminine to be thick' with nothing except 'geeky stuff' . maybe one day...

what frightens me is how little people know about this. No one, once they have seen a few of the facts, is pro fracking (apart from those that are financially invested in the business) but so few people seem to know anything about the facts.

And I never see anything about this on the news. It is a massive deal, and it is being quietly shuffled in while everyone watches X factor or whatever.

Lots of people support fracking but they are the silent majority. They (like me) are so used to the howling screeching leftist approach to debate that they just do not bother. They mark their ballot paper in silence which is why we get no indy, brexit and now Trump.

Undercrackers I would love to know where you get that fact from. Every poll I have ever seen has shown that the vast majority of this country are against fracking.

I hadn't realised that being anti fracking would make me leftist, pro indepence, anti brexit and anti trump... how very frightening. Is it not possible to just be against fracking? Like the people in Lancashire who all clearly voted against it at parish, district and county level? Or am I missing something (as well as sleep)?

I hadn't realised that being anti fracking would make me leftist, pro indepence, anti brexit and anti trump... how very frightening. Is it not possible to just be against fracking?

For some reason the environment is a leftist issue. Which makes no sense for me. The world is basically becoming a trash heap - by 2050 there will be more plastic than fish in the ocean, our skies and rivers are polluted, half the world's rainforests and animals are gone. This is a humanitarian issue, not a left vs right issue.

It was not the people that voted, it was the local authorities. Why is it that you accept the judgement of the authorities when it goes your way, but not when it goes against you ?
In any event, many people here have said they no of no one who supports fracking, now they do.

Under crackers I've never met anyone who thinks fracking is a good idea in person. I've met some online but they generally stand to gain financially.
I'm curious why you think it's a good idea?

Why is it that you accept the judgement of the authorities when it goes your way, but not when it goes against you ?

Why would ANYONE unquestioningly accept the judgement of the authorities? I mean - look at what's going on in the US right now, should people just roll over because of a diktat from on high?

Pissed me off when the earthquakes in Blackpool were treated as a joke until fracking proposals turned up down south.
Keep making noise about it, op. It's the only thing we have left.

Fracking is a good idea for many reasons. Cheap energy, unobtrusive compared to wind turbines for example, safe, provided the regulations are enforced, which they are in this country. Creates jobs, local businesses benefit, local rates benefit (council gets the chance to posture knowing that central government will overrule them).
This country has been fracking for well over 50 years. It's harmless.

Under, and the earthquakes in Blackpool... was that from our well-regulated systems?

Earthquake ? you make it sound so alarming. A seismic tremor of 2 on the richter scale is less than you get if a double decker bus drove down the road three streets away.
It would have to be ten thousand times more powerful in order to damage buildings or pose any other serious risk.

Oh well if it was just a seismic tremor that's okay! Seriously, what could possibly go wrong in the future?!

So it wasn't an earthquake then. Felt like it if you were there. Is ground shaking just normal as long as you don't live there?
Utter nonsense to dismiss it.

YABU, OP. You live in the North, you must be sacrificed to the energy needs of the Home Counties:

Lord Howell, a Government energy adviser and father-in-law to George Osborne, has described parts of the North East of England as “desolate” and suggested controversial fracking should be concentrated away from the south.

There are obviously in beautiful rural areas, worries not just about the drilling and the fracking, which I think are exaggerated, but about the trucks, the delivery and the roads and the disturbance,” Lord Howell said. “And those are quite justified worries.”

“But there are large uninhabited and desolate areas, certainly up in the North East where there’s plenty of room for fracking well away from anyone’s residence where it can be conducted without any kind of threat to the rural environment.”

It wasn't an earthquake. There are over a million naturally occurring tremors of that scale around the world every day and nobody can detect them. only the seismographs. There are lots of bigger events that occur naturally and most people have experienced one or two of them, I know I have. But they are thousands of times more potent than anything that you are trying to pin on the fracking process.

The news reports at the time referred to the events as earthquakes. A quick google shows New Scientist among them.

But whatever you wish to call these seismic events - don't you think it's alarming that they are even happening? I don't get the complacency at all.

Fracking is completely banned in France.