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She was told to be quiet. Nevertheless she persisted...Trump cont...

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amispartacus · 09/02/2017 22:24

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2849038-The-most-unreported-thread-ever-Trump-thread-9

As promised

She was told to be quiet. Nevertheless she persisted...Trump cont...
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cozietoesie · 10/02/2017 23:58

It's how you tell them.

'Hard-working EP, giving up seeing his wife and young kid for all of the week that he's spent working hard without them for the sake of the American people........etc......etc.....'

I doubt that his 'heartland' will see it any differently.

I don't think this one will run, I fear, so we'll have to agree to differ on it.

FlyMeToTheMoonLiterally · 11/02/2017 00:10

I've had a few Wine tonight but my theory...

You'd think what planet were all the people who voted for him because he was 'anti-establishment' and represented the 'ordinary man'? I mean his wife eats soup made out of gold and he's golfing in Florida every weekend. I almost think his voters wanted to feel like him by association, they they liked him elevating them rather than calling them 'a basket of deplorables' and let the praise of their virtues wash all over them. Also maybe they don't really see themselves as poor?...there's this quote:

'Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.'
John Steinbeck

FlyMeToTheMoonLiterally · 11/02/2017 00:16

sorry for typos, tipsy

CatsBatsEars · 11/02/2017 00:24

Soup made out of gold! I prefer tomato.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 11/02/2017 00:30

voted for him because he was 'anti-establishment' and represented the 'ordinary man'?
Perhaps to his fan base he's the plain speaking tell it like it is ordinary man who worked hard and made good because he knew how to make deals

they think they can make it big too with DT at the helm because then things will be fair and right and they will get the good life that the hard working plain speaking man or woman deserves

Formerpigwrestler9 · 11/02/2017 00:34

I feel it is his anti intellectual stance that most appeals to people, they feel at some gut level that he speaks their language and must therefore think like they do, want the things they want, will fight their corner.
They dont see the wealth, just the lack of sophistication

cozietoesie · 11/02/2017 00:36

Instead of which, they have - did they but realise it .........disaster.

cozietoesie · 11/02/2017 00:45

I take some comfort - a little comfort - in the words of Chomsky who said something along the lines of (and forgive the paraphrase) 'If we know where we've been, we can make a better journey onwards'.

I worry, though, about the damage that will be done to people, their lives, and the planet in the interim.

FlyMeToTheMoonLiterally · 11/02/2017 01:43

I think you are right Former, cozie I also take comfort that hopefully whatever comes from Trump's administration, lessons will be learnt by the people

Formerpigwrestler9 · 11/02/2017 01:48

I try to think about how it will pan out but my mind is too boggled to come up with anything
It seems as if things are too 'up in the air' to get a clear picture
'shitstorm' seems like the only appropriate word

AcrossthePond55 · 11/02/2017 02:13

He portrayed himself as a 'self made man' who 'built and empire from nothing'. The quintessential American 'anyone can be a millionaire' story. His fan base bought it hook, line, and sinker along with his rhetoric about their 'pet' issues; 2nd amendment, Roe v Wade, 'the gays', and people who are not 'real Americans' (i.e. minorities and immigrants). It was the perfect bait at the perfect time.

mathanxiety · 11/02/2017 03:57

Wrt the raids on immigrant communities - I suspect these will screech to a grinding halt when GOP members who employ them find that their alternatives when Jose and Maria have disappeared are work-shy native hillbillies. Wondering when ICE will start raiding the chicken and pig processing pants of the Carolinas (= sarcasm - I am willing to bet actual money that this will not happen).

merrymouse · 11/02/2017 07:16

Re: Trump flying to Florida every weekend, wouldn't it be cheaper for his family to fly to him in Washington?

The reasons for Melania staying in New York are just about reasonable, but clearly it creates very visible disruption and expense.

However, transporting Whitehouse staff to Florida seems unnecessary and Trump presumably personally benefits by billing the Whitehouse for the expense.

If he delivers on some of his promises, particularly the economy I don't think people will care. However the phrases that spring to mind are 'rod for own back' and 'giving him enough rope to hang himself'.

merrymouse · 11/02/2017 07:19

Lawfare blog on being selectively quoted by Trump:

lawfareblog.com/thoughts-strange-day—and-very-strange-presidential-tweet

"If the Trump White House is so incompetent that it is citing my work by accident, how on earth can we trust it to handle North Korea?"

CaveMum · 11/02/2017 07:51

It's not just the flying of a White House staff to Florida that is costly, the Secret Service detail have to go too. Assume the President has 12 guys around him at any one time and they work in 8 hour shifts, that's 24 guys per 24 hours. Even if the same 24 guys stayed with him all weekend (they might work a day on, day off rota), there's also the SS detail for Melania (say total 10 guys) plus the kids who will have 3-4 each. You're easily talking a bare minimum of 50 guys, or 25 hotel rooms (kerching for Trump Hotels)

Then add in the cost of security measures they will want to take such as setting up secure phone lines, metal detectors, etc and we're easily talking hundreds of thousands of dollars every weekend!

Didn't Trump Jnrs trip to South America a few weeks ago reportedly cost the tax payer over $1 million due to exactly those reasons?

merrymouse · 11/02/2017 08:05

Re: security for the Trump children, I assume the adult children of former presidents have also had a security detail. I don't think any post war president has had 4 adult children, but they clearly would be a target.

The difference with Trump is that he personally benefits, and much of the expense seems unnecessary.

CussingQuim · 11/02/2017 08:07

Does this link work? (Suggesting that Trump is just tweeting right after watching Fox News, and not bothering to read the things they're actually talking about.)

Lweji · 11/02/2017 08:07

Regarding the Lawfare quote. Trump wasn't as stupid as to give the link to the article.
His spin passed: Lawfare supports me.
People will have to be extremely careful with what they write.

merrymouse · 11/02/2017 08:22

I think the effect of the lawfare quote depends on who you are.

Even if he had posted a link it's likely that many of his followers wouldn't be interested in reading the article.

On the other hand it has promoted the article to people who would already be inclined to read it, which would include anybody looking for reasons to prove that the EO wasn't a complete disaster.

He does seem to have retreated on the EO and appears to be trying to draft something that is competent, if still malicious.

GingerIvy · 11/02/2017 08:23

They're saying in a year or two. I'm saying that's mighty optimistic to think he'll last that long before he starts a war.

The Independent ‏*@Independent* 2m2 minutes ago
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'Donald Trump will start a war with Iran'

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-middle-east-isis-about-to-start-a-war-a7572891.html

amispartacus · 11/02/2017 08:30

YOUR CHALLENGE:

You are Sean Spicer / Kellyanne. Spin it so Trump looks good if he issues a new executive order.

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amispartacus · 11/02/2017 08:37

The article:

I've been thinking about this sequence of events all day—and it's a disturbing one, albeit in an amusing and harmless context:

The President saw a single line of an article on a television show
He tweeted that single line with apparently no idea who the author was or what the publication was, and indeed without reading the rest of the article.

Nobody in the White House vetted the tweet to discover the readily apparent fact that the article in question sharply criticized the President and supported the decision about which he was angrily complaining.

Nobody warned the President that the article was written by an author who had written numerous other articles ungraced by pleasant words about him—indeed, an author who has been calling him a threat to national security for nearly a year.

Nobody warned the President that the site he was about to praise has had a great deal of such writing by other writers as well.
It is a portrait in inconsequential and comical miniature of the incompetence and dysfunction we've been seeing since day one of the Trump Administration.

It's the incompetence I wrote about the day after the executive order itself emerged with virtually no vetting. It's also the ineptitude or irrelevance of the White House Counsel that Jack Goldsmith has pointed out:

People will have to be extremely careful with what they write

OTOH - people can talk about it, link to it, expand on it and produce memes. The more people tweet about statements / pictures etc with full info - the more 'nudging' goes on

The truth:

Trump sees something he thinks supports him.
Doesn't read the context
Tweets it

NY Times
Trump sees something that he thinks is wrong
Doesn't like it.
Doesn't realise that the paper had gone to press before the event happened
Tweets it

Put that in an advert, link to images of Americans at war, ask if you want your President to make decisions based on impulse and you are nudging people.

The USA has some pretty powerful / nasty political adverts - that are character based.

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merrymouse · 11/02/2017 09:02

Re security for presidential children, I was wrong - Bush 1 and Reagan had I think 5 adult children when they were in office. No idea what kind of security detail they would have had.

GingerIvy · 11/02/2017 09:07

USA TODAY ‏*@USATODAY* 26s27 seconds ago
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