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Week 3. What will this week bring? Trump thread

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amispartacus · 06/02/2017 11:53

Continued

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2846025-Trump-thread-continued-Who-rules-the-USA-Vote-now

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GrouchyKiwi · 07/02/2017 16:35

I like this BBC piece about the "under-reported" list www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38890090

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 16:44

I used to be an adult literacy volunteering Britain. It is so common, and it is possible to cope completely almost with very little literacy. Loads of clever people can't read, in fact I think you have to be even cleverer to fake it. People can just miss the bus at school and it becomes more and more shameful to admit.

This is tragic and of course dangerous, but also probably illegal from Bannon and co. There must be US laws on coercion, if his businesses are so fucked up and Kushner's too, this is his dirty little secret that they may have over him.

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 16:45

'I used to be an adult literacy volunteer in Britain' that should read. Now I am in need of one to help me Blush again, I'll get my coat.

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 16:47

BaggypantsCrimplesnitch could I share it on another thread?

SafariSoGood · 07/02/2017 16:48

womanGrin

Deejoda · 07/02/2017 16:51

It would explain his style of tweets and simplistic speaking. If he is dyslexic, there are ways around that to support him. Surely his pride cannot be allowed to come from doing his duty which I would argue includes him reading intelligence reports and the likes

klassy · 07/02/2017 16:59

God that's a believable theory, but surely not.

Can you imagine if that was true - that the president of the USA couldn't read?

I mean, on the one hand, what a boost for everyone with dyslexia etc. On the other, what the hell. Surely that's a prerequisite for this role.

Shouldn't there be some tests before handing someone that job?

woman12345 · 07/02/2017 17:01

www.timesofisrael.com/trump-didnt-read-executive-order-appointing-bannon-to-nsc-report/
Probably up already, but how Bannon was appointed to NSC.

Formerpigwrestler9 · 07/02/2017 17:06

This is interesting. Scary, but interesting...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd79UsXSLWg
thanks for the link Baggy
is that why he posted the pic of him writing the speech, to cover up his low level of literacy?

Formerpigwrestler9 · 07/02/2017 17:09

explains his hatred of journalists whose lives revolve around the written word
indeed, lots of things fall into place

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 07/02/2017 17:18

That is indeed scarily believable.

A friend of mine was PS (i.e Bernard Woolly rather than Sir Humphrey) to a senior cabinet minister several decades back. This cabinet minister was severely dyslexic (that is in the public domain btw). It didn't matter because it was out in the open - their civil servants knew about it, knew to brief them orally rather than in writing, the minister had such a ferociously high intelligence that they remembered everything they were told and could dictate answers. If DT is that severely dyslexic, the problem here seems to be that he's trying to cover up the fact, and engaging in anti-intellectualism as a defence mechanism, and cutting himself off from reputable sources of information because he won't say "look, I can't read it, but if you read it to me, I am perfectly capable of understanding..."

originalbiglymavis · 07/02/2017 17:19

But even if he is illiterate - that doesn't explain his ranting and bumbling waffle speeches does it?

Won't someone please help him? It's like watching a dog trying to ride a bicycle: on one hand quite funny but on the other so very very sad 😖

Formerpigwrestler9 · 07/02/2017 17:20

he's incredibly wealthy, wouldnt you pay someone to give you intensive tuition if you couldnt read?

Or does he think that he's such a genius he doesnt need to read, he's a born leader and he instinctively knows what to do.
Reading is for the minions, he's got more important things to concentrate on.

Reading and the ability to use language in a sophisticated way profoundly shape your mind and your capacity for abstract though.

Trump the chump has the mind of a chimp....but he blagged his way to the top

originalbiglymavis · 07/02/2017 17:22

Oooh, is he an indigo then?

Destinysdaughter · 07/02/2017 17:24

Wow that's shocking, but explains so much!

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 07/02/2017 17:25

I have to disagree really strongly that reading is a pre-requisite for intelligence. I have known some incredibly bright people who are severely dyslexic (one is a professor of philosophy, another a professor of particle physics, as well as the cabinet minister I mentioned, whose politics I may have abhored but whose intelligence was not in question). If Trump is stupid (which all the evidence so far suggests) it is in addition to any reading problems he may have, not because of them

In fact, arguably, it would be a measure of intelligence to say "yes, I have dyslexia, so I need to find work-around strategies" - incidentally this is why I still read aloud to my nearly 10 year old dyslexic DS - because the medium by which the words are delivered doesn't matter, what matters is fostering a love of words. Though if Trump went through school surrounded by teachers who did the simple "can't read = stupid" equation (not uncommon in people of his generation - happened to an older cousin of mine) it would explain his aggressive anti-intellectualism.

amispartacus · 07/02/2017 17:28

Reaction from the world:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/07/how-the-world-reacted-to-a-trump-administration-list-of-underreported-terrorist-attacks/

In Britain, there was confusion as to why certain attacks were included on the list at all. Many noted that a December 2015 incident in Leytonstone, East London, was included on the list, even though there were only three victims and the incident was later linked to the perpetrator's mental health issues rather than terrorism or extremism. On Twitter, some users noted that while the attacker shouted slogans about Syria during the attack, it was the response from an angry bystander that went viral: “You ain't no Muslim bruv.”

Rosie Ayliffe, the British mother of a 21-year-old daughter whose murder was mentioned on the list, hit back personally at her daughter's inclusion. Mia Ayliffe-Chung was killed alongside fellow backpacker Tom Jackson in a knife attack in Queensland, Australia, last August. “My daughter’s death will not be used to further this insane persecution of innocent people,” Ayliffe wrote in an open letter addressed to Trump, the Guardian reported. Ayliffe noted that the suspect in her daughter's murder, French Muslim Smail Ayad, was not believed to have been inspired by religion.

It’s the police who say it wasn’t a terror attack. That’s good enough for me and it should be good enough for Trump,” Ayliffe wrote

However, in other parts of the world, there was confusion about the list. Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, noted that attacks that took place in Israel were not included.

“While the list includes dozens of attacks that were carried out in countries all across the world, it doesn't mention even one such attack against Israel, a country where dozens of stabbing, car-ramming and shooting attacks have led to the deaths of Israeli citizens, policemen and soldiers in the last two years,” Amir Tibon, a Washington-based correspondent, wrote. “The administration didn't clarify on Monday how the list was composed, and why it made sense to include widely-covered events like the Paris and San Bernardino attacks but leave out any reference to Israel.”

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cozietoesie · 07/02/2017 17:36

They probably Googled, ami. That counts as 'original research' in many quarters. Smile

amispartacus · 07/02/2017 17:37

It's interesting he is being political in front of military and intelligence personnel - it doesn't seem the right place to play politics

"The president’s speech was the second time in recent weeks that he has used an appearance before national security personnel — usually apolitical settings in which the focus is on strategy and sacrifice — to discredit journalists and exult in his election victory"

All over Europe it’s happening. It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported, and in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it.”

“They have their reasons,” Mr. Trump added, “and you understand that.”

It's as if he's trying to play 'them and us' with the military

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Lweji · 07/02/2017 17:38

If DT is that severely dyslexic, the problem here seems to be that he's trying to cover up the fact, and engaging in anti-intellectualism as a defence mechanism, and cutting himself off from reputable sources of information

Indeed

GingerIvy · 07/02/2017 17:42

WTF? I go out for the day, come home and DeVos has been confirmed as Pence did a tie break??? Fuck!!

Well, so much for education in the states. Any child with a disability will not get an education, and she's against public schools - wants vouchers and fee schools. FFS. Worst choice ever! She doesn't even know or understand any of the pertinent laws.

Gutted. Absolutely gutted.

GingerIvy · 07/02/2017 17:43

You can be dyslexic and still be a racist ass. Just saying.

FlyMeToTheMoonLiterally · 07/02/2017 17:44

Mostly I agree, DH is dyslexic but has an IQ of 140 and despite being dyslexic he is extremely well read.

I think DT can probably read but just doesn't want to or feels he doesn't need to, which has probably been true so far as he's been voted in. The voters he's appealing to don't require him to read, in fact quite the opposite. They want 'action' and for him to 'says it like it is' i.e to go with his gut and have reactionary responses. That's what they voted for it seems. But these are only a fraction of his voters, just like racists were only a fraction of the voters for Brexit. I think he's banking on the fact that there are more of his far right voters than he thinks, or that by continuing 'to say it like it is' more moderate voters that harbour some of the hard-liners feelings will move further to the right. It's a gamble though, I mean they could equally say 'I have respect for the constitution and his obvious disrespect of the law is making me question everything about him'

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 07/02/2017 17:49

"more moderate voters that harbour some of the hard-liners feelings will move further to the right" - that's a very acute observation, Flyme. I think someone on one of these threads said the dangerous thing about Trump was the way he was "shifting the Overton window". Stuff which was seen as so far right as to be mad is now becoming thinkable, then mainstream, then accepted. That's where the danger lies.

Ginger - agree, so long as we remember that the problem is the "racist arse" bit, not the "dyslexic" bit.

SafariSoGood · 07/02/2017 17:50

DeVos Angry

It just gets worse

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