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Week 3. What will this week bring? Trump thread

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amispartacus · 06/02/2017 11:53

Continued

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PausingFlatly · 07/02/2017 13:34

Oh I agree, it's by no means just a thing on MN to complain about the BBC or any paper.

And agree strongly that it's always been good practice to accept that every press source takes sort of line, and even the act of what to select will therefore reflect some sort of bias. So critical reading always required.

But I've been struck on MN by more than one poster saying:
"Ooh, I don't read the Guardian after they weren't quick out of the gate reporting the NYE assaults in Cologne..."
OK, your choice.
"...so now I read the Daily Mail because it's so much better in supporting women."
On what planet?

The Daily Mail is not supportive of women. Like some other papers, its business model includes commodifying and shaming women. Though it's happy enough to use women as a convenient vector to attack its other hate groups - and of course vice versa.

One might still want to use the Daily Mail as a news source, regardless. But somewhere along the line, a narrative seems to have developed on MN that "Guardian = anti-women and must be ignored, Daily Mail = pro-women".

Like I say, on what planet?

MercyMyJewels · 07/02/2017 13:40

I agree with you Pausing but the Guardian is still a massive disappointment now

AcrossthePond55 · 07/02/2017 13:42

Someone asked about US coverage of 'the list'. There's been coverage, I remember it. I didn't remember the locations of some of them, but when I clicked on them I remembered the facts of most of the attacks. And I think they're banking on that, that the majority of Trump's supporters aren't going to go down the list and check the actual event. They're just going to say "Sousse? I never heard about THAT one!!!" where if they actually looked they'd say "Oh, that beach attack. Yes, I remember that one".

So much of what Trump's people do is what we jokingly call 'Look, a fish!!!'. When you get backed into a corner and people are questioning you about the truth of what you're saying, you point to the sky and say "Look, a fish!!!" with the hopes that they'll all look skyward in amazement searching for the fish whilst you sneak away.

cozietoesie · 07/02/2017 13:45

I reckon that many people are just plain scared so are seeking - in whatever form they can find it - some shred of normality that they can tie events down to.

NotDavidTennant · 07/02/2017 13:47

The Daily Mail and The Guardian are regularly placed into false equivalence on MN. Any time you see criticism of the Mail there is a fair chance you will soon also see words to the effect that "The Guardian is just the same, but from the opposite perspective".

The Guardian has plenty of faults, but it is not merely a left-wing version of the Daily Mail.

There is weird need that some people seem to have to ensure that criticism is equally balanced across the political spectrum, regardless of the actual facts.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/02/2017 13:52

And whilst FLOTUS (would the plural be FLOTI?) as far back as Eleanore Roosevelt* have selected a 'cause' to raise awareness of, Melania is going to use the 'voice' she's given as FLOTUS to make money? That is so, so disgusting and frankly trashy. But then again 'class' (in the American sense) has never been connected with the Trump Empire.

pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/02/18/first-ladies-pet-projects-where-does-michelle-obamas-anti-obesity-campaign-rank/#comment-36

*The earliest one I can recall is 'Lemonade Lucy' Hayes who was a temperance campaigner and actually banned alcohol from the WH in the late 1800s.

titsmcgee22 · 07/02/2017 13:52

More light relief on twitter, if you can have a peep at

@Donalds_diary

Thank you for all the serious updates and discussions so far

MercyMyJewels · 07/02/2017 14:07

Trump not happy with Spicer sketch

[[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-unhappy-sean-spicer-snl-sketch-melissa-mcarthy-mocked-woman-saturday-night-live-a7566331.html]

Especially because it was a woman

Taking the piss is the way to beat the fucker, and women appear to annoy him most. Grin

Lweji · 07/02/2017 14:11

I have one for Trump.

In Portugal, last year, two Iraqi teenagers attacked (or reportedly attacked) a local teenager.

Terrorist attack or not?

Does it change the classification that they were the sons of the Iraqi Ambassador?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/portugal-seeks-to-strip-immunity-from-iraqi-ambassadors-sons-ove/

CaveMum · 07/02/2017 14:14

I see the mother of of Mia Ayliffe-Chung has spoken out about her daughter's murder (and that of another backpacker) being used on the list of (big finger quotes) "terror" attacks via the BBC.

Australian police ruled out Terrorism at the time.

Besides, on what planet was that story not reported? I remember it vividly.

CaveMum · 07/02/2017 14:16

In case it hasn't been posted already, here's a link to the BBC's reporting on the "terror" list.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38890090

SafariSoGood · 07/02/2017 14:23

Mia Ayliffe-Chung: Backpacker's mum slams Trump 'terror' claim
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-38893253

SafariSoGood · 07/02/2017 14:24

Mia Ayliffe-Chung: Backpacker's mum slams Trump 'terror' claim
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-38893253

HateSummer · 07/02/2017 14:24

That terror list is horrendous! Badly written, inconcise, unclear with so many grammatical errors. Someone's typed "ATTAKER" instead of "ATTACKER" for a majority of the script. And interestingly, the cut off is Dec 2016, so the Canadian terrorist who attacked the mosque is omitted. How can anyone take these people seriously when they can't even spell properly and are spewing out one sided shit like this? Idiots. There was a drive by shooting in Louisiana the other day, why wasn't that mentioned by the Cunt?

SafariSoGood · 07/02/2017 14:25

Anyone else having MN issues today?

cozietoesie · 07/02/2017 14:26

And for those who haven't already seen it, here is Melissa McCarthy's full sketch.

amispartacus · 07/02/2017 14:27

Press briefing tonight will be interesting:

I hope someone challenges him on specific incidents.

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Stuffofawesome · 07/02/2017 14:35

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/07/images-trump-bathrobe-twitter-sean-spicer-doesnt-own-one

Spicer keeps on digging himself a hole

cozietoesie · 07/02/2017 14:37

Ah. A 'broccoli' moment. Wink

Lweji · 07/02/2017 14:40

BTW, have you asked why you're seeing so many tweets against Trump in reply to his?

You might find this interesting.

How Twitter took on Trump's bot army—and won

mashable.com/2017/02/02/trump-bots-twitter-replies-change/#Ppys5WWD_kqA

Or they are no longer worth paying for.

cozietoesie · 07/02/2017 14:40

Did I see, somewhere last night, a picture of Spicer as an Easter Bunny or was I imagining it? Grin

Lweji · 07/02/2017 14:43

I think it's very telling that from the whole supposedly false news Spicer only mentioned the robe and that there were no meetings in conference rooms.

Where are they held, then? Not in the conference room because it's too dark? Halo

Lweji · 07/02/2017 14:43

Sorry, proper link to Twitter bot action

mashable.com/2017/02/02/trump-bots-twitter-replies-change/#Ppys5WWD_kqA

Deejoda · 07/02/2017 14:47

Safari not just you. I had a mini-panic earlier when I couldn't check into this thread to keep up to date.
Lweji Grin at dark conference rooms