Group wants to ban feminist books from a women's library - WTF?

[Bambambini]

Who on earth would want to ban feminist books from a Women's Library? Hope that the Vancouver Women's Library stands firm and doesn't bow to this women hating group. Hope the library get's lots if support - this attempt to bully and censor seems to be becoming much more common, unfortunately.

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I won't validate the choices of privileged people to be 'sex workers'. I've never heard a single one of the media savvy lot have anything to say about the experiences of the vast majority of women and children caught up in the 'sex industry' for whom there is little choice or no choice.

Either: it's a totally free empowerfulizing choice - in which case why would that be a feminist issue? It's all great, yay!

Or: it's not actually as choicy and empowerfulizing as these people are making out in which case can we please do something proper and honest to tackle the issue?

I have a lot of time for women who have been caught up in this vile industry, I see a lot of them in MH settings.

Petition here :
www.change.org/p/feminist-books-lovers-protect-feminist-books-at-vancouver-women-s-library

Just fucking outrageous. When will the mainstream press actually cover any of this properly? There was a very small section (about trans and young children) on women's hour on Radio 4 last week, but it really does seem as if people/the media are scared of reporting anything considered to be critical of trans politics/idealogy...but hey, let's not worry about the huge erosion of women's rights, eh?

Is this similar to TERF then Yes it is, it translates as women should STFU.

It's amazing that the most oppressed group of people around can spare the time to do this - I assume this is one of those libraries that won't affect you unless you go looking for it?

I think they have a right to feel unhappy and excluded if writers are being exclusionary/derogatory about the minorities they are included in but I don't think this was a way to do this.
Transwomen's rights are women's rights, because newsflash transwomen are women. But I feel by saying that I'm going to derail the thread. But nonetheless it needed to be said. And 'cis' isn't a derogatory term at all, it simply refers to the people who identify with the gender they were assigned at birth. This isn't really a hard concept. I'm a teenager and I manage to understand it, and I get confused over long division.

Ok did some goohlib to see if the media is taking about it and found this - not sure if it's true but if it is - i hope the press picks up on it.

I've signed the petition.

These arseholes should STFU.

I'm glad you're here Pillypolly to explain these things to us.

I'm not going to argue with a teenager Pilly but you are so wrong.

Newsflash transwomen are not women.

I support the Nordic model under which punters would be criminals but sex workers would not be, does that make me a swerf? If so then so be it.

The banning of books is pathetic, the cult will not be satisfied until they are the only ones who are allowed to use the term women, we will become cis.

Have they banned the Handmaidens tale?

Pilly

You sound like you're just spouting a lot of silly virtue signalling crap you read on twitter. You don't come across as knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

Generally the women they are calling SWERFs and TERFs just want to stand up for the rights of actual women, you know the ones who can be sacked because they're pregnant and are the sex class and have been discriminated against and exploited for centuries.

Newsflash: transwomen really aren't women. And plenty of them don't appear to have given up or lost any of that male privilege. Like this bunch of massive arseholes who literally want to silence women and have made their name a catchy acronym for it. Wake the fuck up.

Handperson's Tale please.

Transwomen aren't women. Pay more attention in biology would be my advice.

And 'cis' isn't a derogatory term at all, it simply refers to the people who identify with the gender they were assigned at birth

Gender is a social construct.
Sex is the biological condition of our bodies.

We are born as biologically sexed beings (although 1 in a 1000 may have ambiguous sex eg Klinfelter's syndrome).

You need some basic stuff explaining to you pilly

I find cis very offensive. I'm just a woman. I have no idea what it means to "feel" like a woman, I just am one. With ovaries and shit.

I think I will self define as a BSERF.
(Bullshit-exclusionary-radical-feminist).

They are women. Granted not biological women. But imagine if you were born male, except you were the same person you are. Wouldn't you be a bit angry if people turned around to you and said you couldn't be your actual gender? Because that's what you're doing to transgender people. Honestly the transphobia on this site is shocking.
Feminism lies with us, the teenagers, as the next generation of feminists. And we choose to accept, not to exclude. And I know I'm younger than most of you, but it doesn't mean that I don't have dear family members, and friends who are transgender (both male to female, and female to male), and although I should not talk over them, standing up for them in a platform riddled with transphobia is something I can do. Being a young person doesn't invalidate my opinions, or my validity to defend trans people. I'm just as able to argue, and defend my views as an adult. Just as your age doesn't invalidate the fact you are being exclusionary and a smidge transphobic. I am a queer person, and I view the trans community as my dear dear friends, because we are all in the LGBT community together. However that is not saying that we shouldn't all advocate for transgender people, whatever our background/sexual orientation. Transgender people are people, just like you and me, and should be respected and treated as such.

However, I stand behind my original point, that banning books is not the way forward.

(Oh, and thank you- you've given me just the thing to talk about for my next essay.)

Oh bambam that is shocking - activists targeting women. Were these Men's RIght's Activists, do they say?

Or - were they transactivists? If so, anything they say claiming "transwomen's rights are women's rights' is utter utter bullshit.

This is so depressing.

Thankyou for coming back Pilly

Could you please answer a question for me?

Define woman/women?

@venusandscorpio
Please do not swear at me. I have managed to put my arguments across without doing so, and I would invite you to extend me the same courtesy.

Ok. Good luck. It's just that we're feminists. You need the woman hating trans lobby, its that way >>>

Banning and no platforming on the rise, it's horrific, just look at the prof Jordan Peterson case.

Don't tone police me, pilly. I'll speak about things which make me angry however I like. You can respond. Or not.

So how do you define a woman Pilly?