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Trump thread continued. Who rules the USA? Vote now.

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amispartacus · 04/02/2017 14:41

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2844593-Dont-put-the-phone-down-on-this-thread-Treat-it-with-respect-Its-the-official-Trump-thread-8?

Because there's a lot going on.

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GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:07

It'll never happen. That means either the law won't pass .... or the law WILL pass but domestic violence prosecution will go way down.

NRA is probably all over this one already.

amispartacus · 05/02/2017 20:09

NRA is probably all over this one already

Don't mess with the God damn Constitution.....Hmm

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GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:10

You realise, of course, when he gets his phone back, he's going to be tweeting madly for hours. Hmm

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:11

I believe their motto is "You can have my rifle when you pry it out of my cold dead hands....."

Hmm
GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:12

Matt Haig ‏*@matthaig1* 35s35 seconds ago
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Matt Haig Retweeted Fox News
'I have the biggest protests. The best.'
'It's about thirty people, Donald.'
'Fake math. It's thirty million.'

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SenecaFalls · 05/02/2017 20:12

The going away for the weekend was a sudden thing wasn't it?

No, it was announced some time ago. The big, and I mean huge, social event of the Palm Beach season is the Red Cross ball; he was going for that. It's held at Mar-a-Lago.

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:13

Susanna Reid ‏*@susannareid100* 31s31 seconds ago
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Susanna Reid Retweeted Fox News
Those who won are protesting about the people who protest about the person who won.

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2017 20:13

"You can have my rifle when you pry it out of my cold dead hands....."

Hmmm...A tempting offer

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2017 20:16

Seneca I've had just about enough of you coming on this thread and ruining my conspiracy theories with your actual real facts Grin

PausingFlatly · 05/02/2017 20:17

Have I understood this right?

In some states, you permanently lose your right to vote if you commit a crime?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement

But you don't permanently lose your right to have a gun if you commit a crime? Even a violent crime?

PausingFlatly · 05/02/2017 20:21

Ah OK, I think it's not a permanent loss of the right to vote - but for lengths of time like 7 years after completing sentence.

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:21

From wiki:

In the United States, loss of rights due to criminal conviction can take several forms, including voting disenfranchisement, exclusion from jury duty, and loss of the right to possess firearms

Disenfranchisement[edit]
Main article: Felony disenfranchisement
Every state with the exception of Maine and Vermont prohibits felons from voting while in prison.[13] Nine other states disenfranchise felons for various lengths of time following the completion of their probation or parole. However, the severity of each state's disenfranchisement varies. 1 in 43 adults were disenfranchised as of 2006.[14] The issue of disenfranchisement gained awareness in 2000 after the "excruciatingly close" presidential election, wherein 2% of the voting-age population was prohibited from participating.[14] In that election, George W. Bush won Florida by 537 votes, however 31% of black Floridians were denied the vote due to disenfranchisement.[15] Given that African American voters are typically Democratic voters, it was argued at the time that their exclusion "decisively" changed the outcome of the election.[citation needed]

In Reynolds v. Sims, the Court ruled that the right to vote is a “fundamental right,” establishing a strict scrutiny test. Further, the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees “equal protection of the laws” to all persons. However, Section 2 of this Amendment allows states to remove voting privileges from anyone who has participated in “rebellion or other crime.”[14] A 1972 Supreme Court ruling found that this article applied to disenfranchisement of ex-felons. The Civic Participation and Rehabilitation Act, allowing for ex-felons to vote, has been introduced at the beginning of every legislative session since 1994, but has never made it to the floor of Congress.

Two states, Kentucky and Florida (Gov. Rick Scott reverted to the old policy in 2010 that had been changed by Gov. Charlie Crist), continue to impose a lifelong denial of the right to vote to all citizens with a felony record, in the absence of a restoration of civil rights by the Governor or, where allowed, state legislature.[13] Florida law is somewhat unique, in that the individual must be pardoned by the Governor and a majority of the publicly elected State Cabinet (with the Governor's vote being the tiebreaker, if necessary).

Felon jury exclusion[edit]
The lifetime exclusion of felons from jury service is the majority rule in the United States, used in 31 states and in federal courts. The result is that over 6% of the adult population is excluded, including about 30% of black men.[16] Felon jury exclusion is less visible than felony disenfranchisement, and few socio-legal scholars have challenged the statutes that withhold a convicted felon’s opportunity to sit on a jury.[17] While constitutional challenges to felon jury exclusion almost always originate from interested litigants, some scholars contend that "it is the interests of the excluded felons that are most directly implicated."

Yet attacks on these blanket prohibitions levied by excluded felon jurors have failed consistently. The United States Supreme Court does not recognize the right to sit on a jury as fundamental.[18] It has been pointed out that, although lawmakers assert that felon jury exclusion measures protect the integrity of the adjudicative process, as felons “lack the requisite probity” to serve on a jury and are “inherently biased,” many of the states subscribing to this practice allow felons to practice law.[19] But that is a double-standard only if it is presumed that those who judge the arguments of both sides in a case are allowed to be as biased as those arguing for each side.

The United States Department of Justice has argued that felon jury exclusion laws do not discriminate against the disabled because there is no evidence that drug addicts as a class are convicted of felonies in any greater number than other classes of felons.[20]

Loss of right to possess firearms[edit]
Felons are regarded by the federal government, and most US states, as being "prohibited persons" under US law (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)). It is a class C felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison under this subsection "to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." This has been litigated before the Supreme Court. However, the Court upheld the regulation.[citation needed]

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2017 20:23

I'm sort of surprised fox didn't get a camera in really close and low to make it look like more people at that protest. I do like how they have been penned in like sheep though. Is this in case they suddenly realised what they are doing and try and make a run for it? Grin

PacificDogwod · 05/02/2017 20:23

Marie Antoinette's quip about 'letting them eat cake' caused a Revolution - now look at this Mexican Vanity Fair cover...

Honestly, you couldn't make it up HmmGrin

woman12345 · 05/02/2017 20:24

So that would be African Americans predominantly being disenfranchised?

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:25

Judd Legum ‏*@JuddLegum* 47m47 minutes ago
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Judd Legum Retweeted Fox News
Massive pro-Trump demonstration of at least a dozen people and Fox News is ON IT

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cozietoesie · 05/02/2017 20:26

Has anyone produced anything insightful about just why these alleged 11 million people were watching the Inauguration?

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2017 20:28

Mystery solved...Here is what trump has been up to instead of tweeting. www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/02/05/president-trump-reigns-over-royal-themed-fundraising-gala-at-mar-a-lago/?utm_term=.2d9adccdd246

PausingFlatly · 05/02/2017 20:28

Which Wikipedia article is that, Ginger? It doesn't match the wording of the one I'm looking at.

PausingFlatly · 05/02/2017 20:36

Thanks, Ginger.

That seems to say that a felon can't carry a weapon across state boundaries or have a weapon that has been sold across state boundaries? But otherwise can have weapons?

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:37

andrew kaczynski 🤔 ‏*@KFILE* 1h1 hour ago
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andrew kaczynski 🤔 Retweeted Fox News
I'm not trying to be cheeky, but there are at least 30 Starbucks in Manhattan with more people than this right now.

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:39

felonyguide.com/Felony-Gun-Laws.php

GingerIvy · 05/02/2017 20:39

Huffington Post ‏*@HuffingtonPost* 24s25 seconds ago
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PausingFlatly · 05/02/2017 20:40

I'm sure a lot of the detail about who can have weapons is down to what's classed as a felony and what as a misdemeanour.

So in that article amispartacus linked above about Missouri, domestic violence is a misdemeanour. Hence the state would need special legislation domestic abusers from having weapons.

"The Missouri legislature will be asked to adopt changes that aim to prevent those with a domestic violence history from having guns. Rep. Donna Lichtenegger (R- Cape Girardeau) wants to expand the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm to include those who have been convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors or who have protection orders against them."